From Ashes to Aspirations: Finding Purpose After Burnout with Anjani Amrit

Anjani Amrit, a corporate lawyer turned holistic healer, to share her transformative journey from burnout to recovery. Anjani, once entrenched in the high-pressure world of corporate mergers and acquisitions, recounts her personal struggles with long hours, intense stress, and eventual burnout. After 16 years in corporate law, she realized that the solution wasn’t working harder but transforming her approach to life and well-being.

Her life changed profoundly after attending a meditation class, which sparked her deep exploration into holistic and alternative healing practices such as meditation, Ayurveda, and energy work. This journey allowed her to heal herself from within, overcoming burnout and achieving a deeper understanding of self-awareness and well-being. Anjani now works as a leadership coach, helping others manage their inner dynamics and energy bodies to find balance, personal fulfillment, and professional success.

Throughout the episode, Anjani shares powerful insights on the importance of self-awareness, emotional permission, and energy work for leaders and professionals. She emphasizes the need for a balance between scientific principles, such as neuroplasticity, and spiritual practices to rewire the mind and create lasting transformation. This holistic approach helps her clients break free from cultural and societal conditioning, paving the way for personal and professional breakthroughs.

Anjani also delves into the signs of burnout, encouraging listeners to tune into their physical, emotional, and mental needs. Her practical advice includes small but impactful practices like asking oneself, "What do I need right now to feel good?"—a simple yet effective way to avoid burnout and sustain long-term success.

Towards the end of the episode, she discusses the significance of “stillness in action,” a concept that encourages being mindful and present even amidst a busy schedule. She also talks about her involvement with Silver Sirens, a community focused on empowering women over 50, highlighting the importance of continuing personal and professional growth as we age.

Anjani’s approach combines the wisdom of spirituality with practical strategies, making her message relevant not only for corporate professionals but for anyone seeking to transform their lives and achieve inner peace. Whether you're struggling with burnout or seeking personal growth, her story offers valuable lessons on how to realign with your true self and live a more meaningful life.

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Unknown: 0:00

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Dianne Flemington: 0:22

Welcome, to the Healthy Aging coach podcast. I'm your coach. Dianne Flemington, hello and welcome everybody to healthy aging coach podcast. Today's guest is Ann Jani emrit, and what I want you to know about her before she steps in on the call with us. Here is, I came across her on LinkedIn. And what was fascinating about her, what struck me the most was, first of all, she was a corporate lawyer, burnt out and then recreated herself. And burnout is such a big conversation today in their leadership world. And what I wanted to bring for you was an experience of somebody who just wasn't going to deal with it anymore, wasn't going to put up with it anymore. I don't want to share too much of her story. I'll let her do that. But what I want you to know is that and Jenny has been a TEDx speaker. She's an author, a multi award winning entrepreneur and thought leader. She's a media commentator, and she still has her corporate lawyer faculties. She's got three best selling books to her credit, and a fourth on the way, and she has spent over a decade growing conscious leaders and empowering women globally. She's founder of The House of Amrita. It's a charity and open tent podcast, which you all can have access and listen to. She's champions significance over chasing success. So without any more waiting, let me go ahead and we'll get on to have you meet and Jenny. Okay, tribe, here she is, and Jenny's here to talk about burnout and has many, many life lessons to share with us. Being a corporate lawyer who, a handful of years ago, left corporate law experiencing burnout to recreate herself, and as I mentioned to you in the intro, she has a lot of Gosh, experience and valuable tips to share with you all, for those of you who are in the middle of burnout right now and what choices might you have? So welcome and Danny, thank you very much for joining us on the podcast today. I'd love for them to hear a bit about your story, if you can start there.

Unknown: 2:40

Sure I did corporate law for 16 years for my tenants and and it was, it was tough. It was really tough. It was a very male oriented industry, so there was a lot of needing to prove of oneself, in addition to the ridiculous work schedule that we had. So I worked to incorporate mergers and acquisitions. So I'd work on deals or projects for months on end, and they would typically involve 22 hour days, 2122 hour days, non stop, including weekends when you're on a project. And I I gradually over those 16 years, got more and more burnt out. It wasn't a thing back then. This was like 15 years ago, so I didn't know that that was happening to me, and I just thought that I wasn't coping very well, that it was my fault, that I wasn't tough enough, wasn't strong enough, wasn't together enough, and so I tried even harder. And really that was the downfall of me, and it will it took 16 years plus meeting someone and going to a meditation class to really bring me out of that mindset that I had, that I have to keep working and work harder to to be successful. That first meditation class blew my mind. Literally, I had the most profound experience of peace and bliss, and I was surrounded in this golden like energy. I don't know what what had happened to me, where I'd gone, but I, you know, you couldn't wipe the smile off my face for three days after. So that really started me on my own, what I like to call Eat, Pray, Love, journey into all things esoteric, metaphysical, alternative, holistic. And I through that, I studied Ayurvedic medicine, yoga, Tantra. I studied whatever you can think of I imagine I studied it, and I he and most of all, I healed myself, and I found peace, I found my health, and I discovered a lot of wisdom for life, for how to navigate life in those environments. And. What I share today, yeah,

Dianne Flemington: 5:02

brilliant, gosh, I have like, a stacking of questions, but I'm going to just pick one there. There is this moment where you know this the saying, when the student is ready, the teacher appears. Was that kind of what that experience was like for you? How did you just hit rock bottom, or share a little bit more about what that granular space was like before you moved into that transformation of Aha,

Unknown: 5:29

I totally agree with that. What you just said, when the students ready, the teacher will appear. All my life, I had no idea about anything holistic. I was very structured, pragmatic, an intellect, and I thought that that route alone would would be my success for my life. I was at rock bottom. I wasn't looking for anything. I truly wasn't. I wasn't looking for a Savior. I wasn't looking for a guru. I wasn't looking for spirituality, nothing like that. But I was desperate. I was really desperate. My relationship at the time nine of 19 years was crumbling. My health was crumbling, and I did, literally hit rock bottom, and someone said to me, why don't you go to this meditation class? And I went, and I was very skeptical. I didn't want to go. I I was very resistant. But what something weird happened to me that I couldn't I couldn't make out. A week earlier, I'd been to a massage therapist to get my neck done, because I'd I used to have really bad stiff neck problems, and I was flicking through a magazine, and I saw this person in this magazine, and it's like he leapt out at me. And I something in my head when you're going to know him. Oh, wow. And I also saw an image of us in a garden with a red swing. The week later, when I drove up to my of meditation class, it was at a yoga studio. A car pulled up after me. The person got out, and it was the person in the magazine, and it turned out Yes, and it turned out that he was the yoga teacher. Oh, wow. Okay. And when we locked eyes, I walked up the stairs and he was standing at the top of the stairs. We locked eyes, and we instantly remembered each other and we'd never met before.

Dianne Flemington: 7:45

Okay, so I have to ask you a question before you continue that story. This, it sounds to me like you've already got some keen awareness, some spiritual or self awareness going on when you even while you were as a corporate lawyer, in the funk of at all was, is that true? Or is this just like, these were just really no obvious, unmissable moments. Yeah, okay,

Unknown: 8:09

it was just knock me down with a feather. What the Bleep is going on? This is insane. And I've had so many of those moments since,

Dianne Flemington: 8:19

Wow, amazing. There's I talked to my leaders, and the tribe knows I say this a lot. There's the feather, the brick, the bus moment, right? So I believe in the universal law, and when something tickles me with the feather, it's like, okay, that's that intuitive, noticing, right? Kind of feels like you had some of that. Maybe when you're in the massage moment, then the brick for us is, you know, it hits us a little harder, so we either feel worse, right, or the symptom progresses, whatever that is. We don't want to get hit by the bus, and it feels like you were just following something along before you really got into the impact of it all. So brilliant. Okay, I wanted to ask if you had a question here for me around like I want you to be able to can you share an example of how your approach has transformed a client's personal or professional life?

Unknown: 9:17

Absolutely, the work that I do. I call it the inner dynamics, the inner work and it's it's nothing external. There's no external traits to learn other than how to best manage this vehicle, this vehicle being my mind, my emotional body, my physical body and my energy body. We all have an energy body. As much as we have a physical body, we have an energy anatomy. So if we understand it's kind of like giving you the user's manual for this machine, once you understand how every piece operates. You can master it in a way that you can then master your life. And so I have, I have a client at the moment. She owns a number of dentists. She's also got a tech startup, and she reminded me a lot of myself 15 years ago sounds like a followed, yeah, very intellectual, really, really struggling with anxiety, not feeling good enough, self sabotage, perfectionism, you name it. And over the last few months, working with her and helping her understand how to how to regulate, relate to and regulate your emotions, how to master your mind, how to practice self awareness. She has been able to restore her relationship with her staff, which was non existent, and she now is in a place where she has compassion for herself, compassion for those in her who her are, her staff, she's no longer barking orders at them, but she's leading them with a lot more consciousness. And she had a realization only last week, and she was quite upset, not in a way that she was, you know, hurt or anything, but upset at herself for having said some of the things she said to her staff to try and get what she wanted, whereas now she realizes that compassion, collaboration, connection is going to get her a lot further, and that actually the energy that we give out is the energy that we give back. Okay? It's really transformed her life, her whole life, even her partner's saying, Wow, this is some they call her Zen. Now she's Zen name, I won't mention her name, whereas before, she was known as the snake. Oh,

Dianne Flemington: 12:02

okay, yes. Then from snake to Zen, that's pretty impactful. Absolutely. You mentioned some the you mentioned some criteria in there about what happens when people show up with this compassion. But you have, it sounds like there's key benefits from combining the spiritual and the scientific principles. How did they? Can you share what those are in leadership and business?

Unknown: 12:31

Yeah, I'm a lover of both science and spirituality, and I love how you can combine the two to help everyone let go of their conditionings, family conditioning, cultural conditioning, societal conditioning, to realize new things about themselves. So I had a realization looking in science that and looking particularly at neuroplasticity, that our brain's ability to wear rewire itself based, is based on new experiences, and that mirrors a lot of the spiritual concepts of transformation. So what it means is, when we rewire our brains through certain practices, mindfulness meditation, self awareness, self inquiry, self contemplation. There's a number of them, even mantra chanting of mantras. It rewires the mind. We can also use energy work to to shift beliefs that seemingly are very concretized to actually just pull them out energetically. So when we work on that inner transformation, it has tangible, measurable effects on our brains, neuroplasticity, and consequently our outer success. So if we, in effect, are able to change our mind, for example, from, I'm not worthy, I'm not good enough, I can't do this to I am and I can, and really believe it, then our outer environment magically changes, and we we start achieving everything that we wanted to achieve.

Dianne Flemington: 14:29

Wow. So how? How does somebody align with Hey, I'm ready for this process. Is there something do we have to see ourselves as ready somewhere to work with you in this in this way, in these methods, or what's the what are we checking in on, on ourselves to see if we're ready for this pathway?

Unknown: 14:49

What are the flags? Yeah, question. What are the green flags? Or one of the red flags? Let's start with the red flags. So the red flags are, I'm good. I'm happy with my life. It's not the best, but I'm, I'm, I'm at peace with it. I'm good. So that's not someone who would be interested in doing that inner work. And I say Namaste to them. Great for you. You know what you want. Otherwise the green flags are. I'm, I'm unhappy in my life. I'm not clear about what direction I'm going. I'm going through a big transition. Either I'm getting the I call it the D's, the divorce, the diagnosis, the disruption, the drama, none of those things are happening. They're the green flags to say this is an opportunity for you. It's not the end of your life, it's actually a massive opportunity rumbling into your life for you to start to open up and do some inner work so that you can shift some of your beliefs. You can move beyond your intellectual, logical, rational mind, connect in with your emotions, your intuition, your imagination, and it's like updating your operating system, you know, like fixing a broken business project, because that personal transformation requires an internal audit. What beliefs am I carrying from my parents or from culture that are stopping me, that are causing this angst. Do I believe that once I'm married, I must stay married my entire life, even though this is hurting me? Should I continue in this really well paid corporate job as a corporate lawyer where I'm getting, you know, success and money and all the things that society tells me I should be doing, or should I sell my house, go to India, quit the law altogether, and do something else, you know, my experience was, those are some of the green flags. Yeah,

Dianne Flemington: 16:53

brilliant. I like those because now I feel like my tribe and people who are listening can go, okay, you know, tick some boxes. Or, you know, might look here, a question rose up in me. I'm not, I don't know if, let's just see if there's an answer here. I'm not sure. But I, in my world as I coach leaders, there's this, I think I need therapy question. And they call that more of like, I think I need some traditional therapy or traditional help. How does your approach to the leadership and business mentoring differ from traditional methods and sets you apart?

Unknown: 17:32

It's very different because it doesn't involve going over the past. My belief is the past has passed. It is what it is. What's important is to let it go and establish your own self of identity, your own sense of identity from where you are at right now. And the biggest part of that is letting go of the resistance and the fear of letting go of the past, because we get we cling to it, and there's no, there's no progress made. By recounting our past, you know, I've had a lot of trauma in my past. I grew up in a family of domestic violence. I had PTSD. My brother had terminal cancer when he was younger. There's been a lot, there's been a lot of trauma in my life, and what I realized through my studies and my practice is me recounting that did not help me progress through that it was more and therapy does have a place. I have to say if, if you were in a very, very bad way, and you're not in a place where you can trust a holistic practitioner. Then therapy is a nice place to start. And then once you've got some traction there, then the holistic therapists are going to get you much further down the track, much faster. So I work predominantly with your energy. Our thoughts have a vibration. Our emotions have a vibration. These vibrations get stuck in our body. So as we release this energy from our body, we process it and we release it. We're not heavy with it anymore. We feel light, and as we feel lighter, then we feel more capable to progress in life. Make bigger choices, be more self directed, take better risks. Take more informed risks. Feel safe in the world. You know, regardless of what's going on in the past,

Dianne Flemington: 19:37

I think you might have answered this a bit for me, and a little bit there, but there in there, because there sounds like there's some practical strategies, some of the things you just mentioned, but maybe there's more you can add to that that can help business leaders avoid burnout and sustain long term success.

Unknown: 19:56

I would say self awareness is the biggest. Peace. So it's kind of like, aa, you know, you've, you've got to know what's going you've got to know that there's a problem first, and then you've got to admit there's a problem. So seeing the signs of burnout, recognizing what they are, which is probably, you know, which is apathy, like, I don't want to get up today, I'd, I'd rather just I'm I'm dreading work, low grade anxiety, constant exhaustion, not in unable to have a good quality sleep. Work always on your mind. These are some of the, some of the triggers, some of the indications of burnout. So recognizing, because often we wear it like a badge with pride. Oh, I'm busy, yes, and I'm exhausted, and we think that's normal. It's not so recognizing, okay, I might be heading towards a burnout, and the solution is not continue working harder. And it is not engineer. Give me a pill so I can continue working harder. The solution is understanding that your body, your physical body, your mind, your emotions, have needs, and you have to understand what those needs are by tuning in and asking yourself, so a very simple practice could be during the day. What do I need right now in order for me to feel good? It might be I need to take a nap. Well, go and do that, because otherwise it's like, you know, a racing car just driving around the track constantly and never going to fuel up and never having a pit stop. It's insane. It's insanity. It might be, I need to eat right now. We'll go and eat. Go and have some lunch and sit in nature. It might be, I just need a little bit of fun in my life. Go and have some fun often as leaders, where we are programmed in the West to just keep going and work at work, work at home, never switch off. So as you introduce these other asset, feed these other aspects to your mind, your emotions, your body, you will become whole again. You will become healthy. You will be able to focus better. You able to switch off and disconnect from work. So something as simple as that, as a daily practice, is going to start you in the right direction.

Dianne Flemington: 22:31

You know, that's, that's, I love all those features and signals and symptoms that we can look for and look forward to as well. And there's a bridge that showed up in my imagination as you were talking, and on the bridge it said permission, right? There's this, there's this work that we need to do in order to notice where we are. So to your point, that self awareness bit, but then give ourselves to permission to go have fun, right? We can identify. What do I need right now? I need to have fun, and I know myself as a leader with my team. There are many times that I'm I'm going, I just need to give myself permission. Do you have any tips or or or tricks or anything in your practice that you might be able to share with us now? How do we just reach and offer that permission to ourselves to go do what we need to or honor what we need.

Unknown: 23:26

It doesn't work through the intellect. We have to give ourselves emotional permission the intellect will only ever want to work. It's our emotional body that needs the fun and the rest and the creativity and the connection and the safety and all of that. And so you can imagine little you as a child, if you wish, and ask that child, how are you feeling, and what do you need from me right now? And that way, we're able to connect more with our emotional body, our emotional state, our emotional brain, if you prefer, and as we connect to that we feel not think we feel it. We feel that need, and we're more likely then to go and give ourself that need, if we can feel if I'm feeling exhausted rather than thinking I'm exhausted, I'm more likely to go and have a nap.

Dianne Flemington: 24:28

Yeah, that makes sense. And then you triggered another question in there, because I noticed in some of the leaders I work with, it's the feeling space has been really limited. Do you support your clients with being able to identify that somehow, how they're feeling 100%

Unknown: 24:44

it's a big part of the work I do, because as adults, and particularly as leaders in the West, we have shut down our emotions. We just shut down culturally where conditioned men don't cry and. Not okay for women to be emotional at work and so and so we get conditioned out of relating to our emotions, and then there's no spontaneity. There's no childlike fun. It's adult, intellectual fun. I'll go for beers, I'll go work, I'll go do a hard workout. And if you think about it, if you have kids, would you do that to your child? Would you say, when your child is exhausted, go do a workout. You need to get sweaty and you know, and then go and do 10 hours work and don't sleep, be up all night, scrolling on your screen? Would you say that to a child, never

Dianne Flemington: 25:39

and a millionaire?

Unknown: 25:40

How insane is it that we do ourself? We are less wise as we grow older, and we need to learn from children. We need to learn more from children.

Dianne Flemington: 25:55

You talk about energy work, so can you give the tribe and me even some a little insight into what is energy. Work like, what do we work with you? What does that mean?

Unknown: 26:09

Well, energy is everything. Basic physics, energy is everything, and everything is energy, gasses, liquids and solids. We are energy. No one can tell you how when you knock on a door or a table, your hand doesn't go through it. No one can tell you that. And so based on those principles of Form, Form, like our physical form, can be a wave or a particle, depending on who's looking at it and what you're expecting. So what I do is I work with your field of energy, and we all have a biomagnetic field of energy that is directly affected from our heart pattern, how we are feeling. So I can look at your biomagnetic energy field through your subtle through subtle intuition, and help you strengthen that field around you so that you feel good, so that it is flowing nicely and constant, so that it's all it's filled out rather than dissipated or fractured, and also working with the power centers in your body that are stacked along the spine. And these power centers all are responsible for different areas of our life, like the one at the base of the spine, is responsible for how safe we feel and who we're connected to our social circles. Wow,

Dianne Flemington: 27:40

that's so interesting.

Unknown: 27:42

It also regulates our abundance and our ability to hold on to wealth. So if there's if that energy Center's blocked, you imagine it like a filter. If it's blocked, then that area of our life isn't going to flow very well.

Dianne Flemington: 27:57

Fascinating that has so much to learn in that arena. And I imagine working with you on the front end of people are only aware of a lot of this. Is there some education that you're offering them as part of their process with you? Yeah, absolutely.

Unknown: 28:12

And education in a way that we get it in the West, it's not about let's go to a cave and meditate for 10 years. It's not that it's not practical. It's not what I'm about. It's about let's get practical. But education in terms of, yes, we have an energetic anatomy, the same that we have a physical anatomy. It is beyond the senses, but it doesn't mean it's not there. You can all feel it. If you're on a bus or public transport or standing anywhere, and someone gets a little too close and you feel uncomfortable. They've just stepped into your energy field, your personal field, so you could all feel it. You all know what it is, and then, how does that affect you? And how do our daily interactions affect you? So there's a bit of a teaching around energy mechanics and how it works and how it works with our physical body and areas of our life and also business. Our businesses have these energy bodies and these energy centers. So you do a lot of really amazing, transformational work on businesses without needing to lift a finger.

Dianne Flemington: 29:20

Fascinating. Wow. So I just want to I'm noticing time tribe. So I know you are all listening diligently, and we're all about, you know, something tangible you can leave us with that we can take away a practice or try on right now. But what are some tangible, immediate ways that you can offer our listeners a shift or a transformation?

Unknown: 29:41

I'd say one big thing would be the what and the why. So often we run our lives from a place of what a lot of people say, What can I do? What should I choose? What's going to happen? There's a lot of okay, and I want to say that. If you can flip that in your daily life to a why and ask yourself, Why am I doing this? Why would I want to do this? Why am I running this business? Why is it just to sell products, or is there a deeper meaning behind it? Why do I want children? Why do I want more money? Because if we understand the reasoning behind what we think we'll achieve by it, then we'll be much more motivated and passion, much more connected to our true motivation. Yeah?

Dianne Flemington: 30:33

So totally aligned with you on that. Yeah? Brilliant. Okay, tribe, so to find and Jenny and all her wondrous support and help that she can offer you, you can just go directly to her website, which is at a n, j, A n, i Last Name Emery, am R, I, I t.com, and everything that you need to know about her or that she wants you to know is available there, and including some of her upcoming events, tons of resources. You'll really get a strong sense of her. Ben, Jenny, there's something, is there anything that's coming up that they might be really interested in? You mentioned something about silver sirens, like, can you speak into that a little bit? Yeah,

Unknown: 31:17

so I am on the executive board of silver sirens, which is a community of women, 50 plus, and we have regular events, and these are live in person events, where we actually get together in person, and we meet each other, and we we Come together. We have speakers, we have entertainment. We also have a live viewing the next one's coming up in Sydney in November. There's a live movie that's being screened just for us. And we talk about really important subjects for women, that women face, you know, in their 50s plus. And so we've got themes like loneliness is a big thing in women over 50, loneliness and also talking about life after 50. How what is life after what does that look for us? Because in the West, we're pretty much relegated to the benches, and so this is about sparking conversations and curiosity around, what does my life look like after 50 so that's happening in Sydney, and they do roll out throughout Australia, throughout the year. Brilliant.

Dianne Flemington: 32:27

Sounds like an amazing and interesting event to say the least. Okay, and they can find that is it? Have its own website. Is that? How people can find it? Okay? So silver and sirens. They just Google that and they'll find that. Okay, brilliant. Thanks for sharing. That sounds like a really valuable event that you're part of, Okay, anything else that you would like to share or leave with the tribe before we set you on fire with these three fire seat questions.

Unknown: 32:55

I think also one thing I would say that really changed my life is practice, stillness, stillness in action, which might sound like a juxtaposition, and it kind of is. But can you go through your day engaging stillness in action? So even though I'm taking action, even though I might be doing my work and I've got a deadline, I'm practicing in my mind and in my body and in my energy stillness, so that I'm not creating stress for myself, and that way I can actually focus more efficiently if I'm doing that. So that's a that's a small thing that we can do, but it makes a huge difference in our life.

Dianne Flemington: 33:46

What's ever so I'm looking to what's the easy, simple, all the tribe knows me that I love easy, simple. What would have us move into stillness with ease?

Unknown: 34:01

It is simply reminding ourselves, because once we remind ourselves, we become more present. Because stillness helps us be present, rather than our mind darting off in a million directions, we can be still and focus on the one thing that we're focusing on right now, and not let the mind Dart over, across and be distracted by everything. So it's an intention that we set. It's an intention in the day, and if you like, put little sticky notes all over your screen, your phone, the bathroom, the roof of your bedroom, you know, wherever you might go, the visor on your car, stillness in action and set an intention. Intentions are very powerful because they program the gateways in the neuro processes within the brain. And that way we start to remember to do that, and that way the brain starts to fire different signals. What if people

Dianne Flemington: 34:57

are struggling to find their still. This? Is this something that you can help them

Unknown: 35:02

with? Yes, absolutely. There's lots of guided meditations. I've got a profile page on Insight Timer, the app also on my website. So there's lots of free resources as well on there where you can just follow along with the guided meditations. There's lots of them for relationships, for your energy body for your business, whatever, whatever you need, for anxiety, they're all on there. So I recommend you using those as a really good start for yourself, so that you can get some tools that you can just plug and play make it easy for you.

Dianne Flemington: 35:35

Great. Thank you so much for putting that effort out there and giving us tools to access right away. I really appreciate that. I know the tribe will too. Okay, are you ready to share with us a little bit more about the converse your ideas around healthy aging? So we're all curious to what age are you wanting to live your life? To

Unknown: 36:00

for me, it's not about how long I live, it's about what I do in every day. So as long as I have lived my life today to its fullest that I can, then I'm happy, then I can die tomorrow, and it's okay.

Dianne Flemington: 36:16

Okay, so number isn't the factor for you. Again, it's for you. It's the energy feeling space, isn't it? Yeah, okay. And what does that allow you to be do or have just kind of following that space for yourself, that energy space,

Unknown: 36:30

it just lets me fully play out in life every day. And I do, I like to have this meditation on death and remind myself I could die today, and it sounds morbid, but it's actually very, very freeing if we do that, because we're more likely to be very present to the people we're talking with. You know, remember our mum and dad? Remember our family, make contact with them, do your best at what you're doing today and not mess around waiting. Oh, someday, someday actually makes you take a lot of powerful action. Brilliant,

Dianne Flemington: 37:07

yes, I'm one. I don't think it's more about at all to have a plan or, you know, be prepared for the inevitable. Absolutely. Is there anything that scares you about growing older?

Unknown: 37:22

I've churned a lot of that. I have to say, I think I've come across my own mortality. When my brother passed away, that was a very scary time in my life. I went into depression and coming out the other end, I have to say, hand on heart, that nothing really scares me about growing older, other than not doing the things that I came here to do that would scare me. So that does keep me on the edge, you know, the knife edge of keep pushing myself to achieve the things that I want to achieve, and to really make a dent in this world and bring some positivity here.

Dianne Flemington: 38:02

So it sounds like you actually take put to practice one of your, dare I say, principles or keys, which is intention. You know, I was going to ask you, how do you manage that fear? But you say you put it to work like you just this kind of your fuel to keep you moving forward. So you're very intentional about what you're putting out in the world and creating some impact, brilliant. Okay, so who's the coolest person you know, you know, alive or dead,

Unknown: 38:30

I'd say Ram Dass, and he's dead. He was an amazing psychologist to start with in his early life, and then he had his own Eat, Pray, Love moment, and went off to India and got himself a guru and came back a wise person. And I love listening to wise people. It's to me, knowledge doesn't move the dial. Wisdom does. And he brought so much wisdom to this planet. And I think he's super cool because he never took himself seriously. He always made fun of himself, and, you know, he never put himself out there as a guru or a teacher. Even he was a very, very humble, so beautiful man. And I think he's one of the coolest people that ever lived. Wow,

Dianne Flemington: 39:21

that's amazing. So you've got quite a you've got quite a mentorship. Or, you know, you, when I look at people, I'm always curious about you use the word guru. Who's your guru? Or who do you look to, or hear someone that you see as a leader in your life, and it informs me a little bit about where their focus is. So I'm really quite amazed and more intrigued. I feel like I could talk to you for hours and ask you hundreds of questions, but I won't barrage you with that. What I'm going to do is try you have a wonderful opportunity here to work with and Janny, and I really want you to take advantage of that. And again, tons. Of resources on our website. So start there. Get a sense of who she is. By all means. Silver sirens sounds like an amazing event. I might even go check that out myself, if not November and the future one for sure. And thank you so much for being with us today. What I've noticed about you, and this time with you as and we speak about energy as there's just this calm, there's this calmness, and I felt like we held this space in a certain way. I don't know you just you, you walk your talk, right? And that's super important for all of us here in the tribe. So thank you very much, and wish you much success in everything that you're wanting to create impact

Unknown: 40:41

for thank you so much. Been a pleasure. Take care of yourself, and We'll be in touch soon. You