Understanding the Value of Physical Intelligence with Claire Dale

In this episode you will begin to get a deeper understanding of your physiology.  You will meet Claire Dale and learn that Claire feels Physical Intelligence® is the missing intelligence that doesn’t only sit alongside emotional and cognitive intelligences, but it underpins them. Physical Intelligence is the active management of our physiology, our neurotransmitters and hormones, that enables us to achieve more, stress less and live and work more happily. The more physically intelligent we are the more healthily, gracefully and successfully we will age.

We are looking at the body the wrong way. It is amazing, working tirelessly to keep us balanced, and healthy, all it wants for us is to be able to live without friction, and to engage fully in life. We breathe in and out 25,000 times a day in an orchestrated concert of lungs diaphragm and abdominal muscles and our nervous systems extend throughout our whole bodies making turning our body into our brain –

The body is an amazing technology, yet many of us haven’t been given the user manual! It is not always easy living in a body. There is the way the body changes shape, the aches and pains and energy fluctuations, and the fact that we are ageing. It’s so easy to subtly live life in a loveless marriage with our bodies, living in fear that they’ll let us down one day. So what do we do? We run around, keeping up the right level of maintenance and self care, taking our health seriously, hoping that the body won’t let us down, but it is a marriage for life, and there is no getting a divorce.

You can find Claire and her trainings here:
www.physicalintelligenceinstitute.com
Physical Intelligence book link:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Physical-Intelligence-Harness-untapped-intelligence/dp/147117090X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2GJF3F4SXGX37&keywords=physical+intelligence+by+claire+dale&qid=1702567396&sprefix=Physical+Intelligence%2Caps%2C79&sr=8-1

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Transcript

Dianne Flemington: 0:22

Welcome to The Healthy Ageing coach podcast. I'm your coach Dianne Flemington. Welcome Claire. Hey, tribe, she made it. She's here with us. This is such a gift and a couple of re-creations needed to happen for her to have the time, she's so busy up to amazing things. So welcome, Claire to the podcast, a healthy aging coach, our tribe is looking forward to you. I've been pre empting your visit, and they're super curious about this physical intelligence conversation. So, welcome.

Claire Dale: 0:58

lovely to be here. From the other side of the world. Yeah.

Dianne Flemington: 1:02

And, yeah, I can't help but just want to just go full on with my first question. Because, for me, the book hit me right up front going, you know, for someone who's struggled with trusting my physical illness, and menopause now kind of trip back into that a little bit, because you're not from clarity issues. Can you speak to us before we get into the deep dive about the fears, how we actually work with the physical intelligence? How do we create that trust with our bodies?

Claire Dale: 1:36

I really think that's a great place to start and a really important question, because it's not plain sailing, when we think about the body is it you know, we there are body image stuff that we go through in our lives, there's the fact that we might have, you know, had illness at various times in our lives as well. And we never know what's around the corner. And it's also quite complicated. There's lots of data coming from the body. So there's a mysterious aspect to it. Yeah, and, you know, and we also, you know, we're working for to have good energy levels, but like any human being, sometimes we have great energy. And then we have days when there isn't so much, or there's that niggling neck ache, you know that you you're doing everything, right. But still, there are these aches and pains. So it's not plain sailing with the body. But the body is remit, we have to remember that our body is incessantly trying to keep us balanced, it wants us to be healthy, it wants us to be fit, it wants us to be able to engage with life without, you know, barriers. And so this sort of loveless marriage with the body that we can so easily get into. We have to realize that there is no getting a divorce, you know, it's just not possible. This is the one home that we live in. And what's going on under the skin is absolutely incredible. So flipping that, so that we can start to think about well, when is my body been there for me? And when have I been there for my body? And what have we been able to achieve? Because we actually showed up for our bodies and our bodies showed up for us. So that's a great question for everyone to, to look at to think about, you know, right off the bat.

Dianne Flemington: 3:27

I love that Claire and tribe, she actually draws something we all we've talked about, you know, how do we bring our journals into activeness into our lives. So there's lots of we have different ways of using our journals, Claire and through the tribe. But I really think this would be a great exercise to do some journal prompts around what is our relationship with our body to our point of what can we be you know, gratitude around that? What are we thankful for? How has it served us and just spending some that connection mind to our body time I feel like that journal entry work would be really great for the tribe started interrupted Claire. But yeah, that was just seemed like a really good brew line for them.

Claire Dale: 4:11

I agree. I agree with that. Yeah.

Dianne Flemington: 4:13

So there's a question to prop. You know, can you access your physical intelligence? You know, once the trust is established, now what?

Claire Dale: 4:24

Huh? Well, I guess the trust is going to build as you become more physically intelligent as well, but the question is, what is physical intelligence and, and what what context is this coming out of the context is that you know, we all are very familiar and we tested on our cognitive intelligence or IQ, I don't know what you call it over there, but we call it IQ. And, you know, and then 25 years ago, or more emotional intelligence or multiple intelligence is in motion. An intelligence, you know, really started to rise up. And that's almost a household name now as well. But what is really very little understood is that physical intelligence, our physiology, actually under is not only sitting alongside those intelligences is underpinning them. So the way we use our body, the way we breathe, the way we move, how we visualize our actions going forward, how we rehearse and repeat behaviors, how we interact, these are defining the inner environment that, that we really all our thoughts and emotions then sprang from from. So if we're not taking care of the inner environment, using those things that I've described, and we're not conscious of those, then we're less strategic about developing this incredible intelligence that I mean, you know, some of the statistics are extraordinary, in that. If you for 21 days, if you find 40 minutes of your day, pacing your breath. So just falling into a regular, pleasant breath pattern rather than one that's, you know, a little bit staccato, because there's so much stuff going on. And I don't mean, you have to sit and meditate for 40 minutes. But I mean, while you're walking, while you're preparing a cup of coffee, or whatever it is, you do, that you're falling into 40 minutes of breath, pacing, then, in three weeks, there's there's a potential gain of 62% in terms of cognitive function, and decision making clarity of decision making on complex tasks, complex decision making situations. Well,

Dianne Flemington: 6:49

that's that brain. That's extra brainpower. And I know, my tribe is always looking for ways to access more brain power. So get a little more specific about that, if you don't mind, like how do we actually do that? How do we? What are the ingredients? How do we do that in real time, right?

Claire Dale: 7:07

Yes, so we want to start in, we want to influence some of the inner chemistry. And in a very simple terms, it's like we've got a kind of inner scale, and in a balance going on between cortisol, the stress and threat chemical that we need to wake up in the morning, we absolutely need it, we need it to be strong and vibrant to get into situations. But if as as most of the time for most people, it's, it's running a little bit high for too long, that drives down that some other chemicals that are really important. The big one is called D H, E, A. And it's like that's like, it's like liquid gold. It's made in the adrenal glands, and it keeps us living longer, keeps our vitality going for longer in our lives, and then day to day, it gives us our coherence, mental, emotional, physical coherence. So we can go through life without what I like to call friction, you know, we can go through life. So how do you balance those? How do you get more DHEA, so that cortisol settles to exactly where we want it? Well, the first place to go and there are many things to do. And we have in our curriculum, we have a performance pathway that shows you know how to move to the DHEA. mode. But the first place to start is with breath pattern. And many of many of your tribe will know there are many different breath patterns taught for different purposes. And whenever we are feeling a certain way will breathe very differently if we're angry than when we're feeling, you know, trusting and balanced and in in a in a great working relationship with someone, or we come out of a leadership situation. And we feel that we've really connected with people, or we come out of a leadership situation saying, Ah, that was a you know, at that point, I, you know, I kind of lost, I lost, I lost people or I could have done that. So, you know, we'll always be reviewing what we do. So how do you make sure that you have that cognitive function and that DHEA in tanks. And as I was saying, so the the fundamental breath pattern that we all need to be working with, is just simply breathing in and breathing out smoothly, deeply and diaphragmatic ly so down into the body rather than high in the chest and rhythmically and actively. So you're conscious of it. You can't be conscious of your breathing all the time, because you've got to think about doing other things. But we're talking about moments when you are conscious of a breath pattern. Some people like to count their breath in and out or just get in to irregular ratio of breath, and then yeah, box breathing is one type, you've got the hold and the hold. So it's a little bit more elaborate takes a lot more consciousness. But what we're looking at here is even simpler pacing. But anything that you do, where you've got a regular rhythm of your breath will do the DHEA thing. But in day to day life, there, it's good to train yourself to fall into a regular paced breath pattern. And the idea is that you're in training your train, training yourself to do that more when you're not conscious of the breath. As well as whilst you are conscious,

Dianne Flemington: 10:41

you know, fundamentally, breath is life, right. And it's been, it's been a long time for me, and I've shared this with the tribe that I, I catch myself holding my breath when I'm doing something intense even. And then the training I'm doing for physical events like a cyclist. So I'm training for an event in April and even then the training, I've noticed breathe in the nose, like I have to train on the breath work. And in facilitation or coaching, when we're working in front of large groups, and we have to talk or be in emotional space. The first thing now I've trained myself as a cue is when I feel that little bit of tension or resistance or something that doesn't feel like flow, I have to go to breath. First, I'm really working hard to connect my brain, check my breathing, repair my breathing, get back in the moment. And that's where I can, you know, be with or do what I need to do. So any cues that we need to look for to help with this breath process?

Claire Dale: 11:41

Well, that the one of the best moments to really be aware of it is as soon as you realize that you're awake in the morning. Yeah, you know that usually there's this transition period where I'm kind of half awake, and there's the thoughts coming. And then oh, I am awake, oh, I'm awake. And if you take that as a moment to immediately fall into your breath pattern, mind is always just counting for in and for out. Very simple. And then the other. The other thing I think that relates to your story about about the cycling, and the flow, is that actually breathing out is really important in lots of breath practice, we tend to accentuate the in breath, but the breathe out actually dictates the quality of the next in breath. So true breathing, or we don't and our body doesn't know that it wants to breathe in. Until we let go of the breath. So start, I would advise people to start to think a little bit about that about the outbreath Hmm, that's

Dianne Flemington: 12:53

amazing. Gosh, and then we know that there's so much is transferred in that in breath to outbreath. Right, just beautiful.

Claire Dale: 13:01

I'm gonna do the whole podcast on there for I know, let's be honest, but within the physical intelligence curriculum, you know, that's, that's like the starting point. But then the posture movement interactions, you know, all of these things, there are 100 techniques underpinned by 175 pieces of scientific research. So it's, you know, we, when we, when we talk about breath, we're sort of scratching the surface, but it's very deep, you know, it's really the first building block. But there's, there's so much else that we're working with and researching about the body as well.

Dianne Flemington: 13:39

So with that, can you talk about change and the role of body and change?

Claire Dale: 13:44

Hmm. So there are these things in our bodies called somatic markers. So Soma is the whole emotional, mental, physical, it's all one the the interrelationships between those those different elements of ourselves, they are, in fact, one thing, one Soma. And we have somatic markers in our, in our selves, and that those are really chemical imprints of memories and moments in time. I'm not talking about extreme trauma now, or that's a very extreme example of a somatic marker that is triggering and re triggering the threat response. I'm just talking about, you know, every day, every day, behavior that links to our memories. So if we want to change behavior, we need to kind of understand what so what are called somatic markers, that chemical imprint of this is the way we do things. This is the way I brush my teeth. And I've really realized it because I've just got a sonic toothbrush, which means that you don't have to do the brush action. You just have to be still and hold the breath brush on your teeth. But my somatic marker is brush the teeth in the morning with a lot of energy. You've got a lot of energy for the day and then Go into the things, you know, I've got lots of energy as a human being. So I'm training retraining, this is just a silly example. But I'm retraining myself to just hold the toothbrush on the teeth. And, and not to do that action. So this is a very simple example of a somatic marker. But it could be that, you know, when someone that you know, or work with frowns, this is the way this is the thought, the emotion and the physical behavior that you do. And if that's been going for a period of time, you'll be programmed into that action. So the thing is, if we only talk, and then we talk about, we will talk about what we're thinking about that moment, we might talk about how we feel about that moment. But unless we are going to work with the body, which, which is the way we really feel that it impacts of that, unless we work with the body, then and we only work with the thoughts, then the body reactions will tend to be very powerful, and continue to repeat. So, you know, if I was to, you know, to be coaching you with physical intelligence, and I do this all over the world with leaders, and we work with coaches, as well, to train them to work with leaders, is to say where you know, that's happening? Where do you feel it in your body? Oh, you feel it here in the chest, or here in the solar plexus? Or is your gut where you're feeling it? Or you can feel just to compression down your spine? When you wherever it is? And everyone's different? Then, you know, where do you feel it in your body? Okay, intensify that little bit. So you really know what that that feeling is? Now what's the opposite of it? What would what would it be like, if you were to open up the neural pathways and say, look, okay, so that's one way, I've repetitively done it. And it's a familiar feeling. And I feel it here, here and here. And it's this kind of sensation. But what would it be if I actually did the opposite with my body? What kind of thoughts and emotions will that enable me to have the time and space to be able to carve into my response to a situation? Is that making sense? It totally

Dianne Flemington: 17:12

is. And there's a couple of things that rise up for me. So when I'm working, coaching my leaders, there's this access. So I, I, we tapped in and a little bit about how do we trust our bodies? Right? So I'm curious, in all the work that you're doing, how are you coming across people who have that difficulty with going? Well, I'm not sure where it's showing up? You have that? Yeah. And how do you how do you coach or support leaders in that? Yeah,

Claire Dale: 17:38

I mean, we're all have, you know, things that are blocked out, and that we can't feel and if we're very stressed, and you know, it, if we've been really going and taking all that responsibility and working at quite a high level for a while, it's very common, because cortisol is part of its role in life, is to numb the body feeling so that if you were actually injured, but in a in a life threatening situation as well, you'd be able to run away or walk away, to get yourself to safety without the injury, limiting that. So it's designed to dull pain or numbness. And I do meet some people who are very numb. So you've just got to, you've just got to really start to open that door. But once you've just very gently say, so what are you most aware of?

Dianne Flemington: 18:31

Great wording? Yeah.

Claire Dale: 18:33

How What's it feeling like right now in your shoulders? And if you take a breath, then what, what's it feeling? And I would really suggest shoulders, I, you know, want one obviously wants to really sort of see what they're saying. But I can sometimes observe. So if the nothing's really coming, I can offer an observation and say, well, it looks to me that as though there might be tightness that you're squeezing your arms to the sides of your body, or you know, I might notice some jaw tension, for example, and tension is a big signifier that cortisol is a bit high and another chemical, really important serotonin. And, and I'm, I'm doing my doctor, I know you're gonna we're going to talk about that a little bit. But serotonin is such an important chemical way beyond what we hear in the popular press about, you know, it being the happy hormone, or, you know, we know that we know that antidepressants are often working on the serotonergic system, certain serotonin uptake, and so we think of it as an antidepressant. But it's so much more than that in terms of what it does with our body. And we can get Yeah, we can get some we can get more of it naturally. You know, we don't need to, we don't need to be taking pills or whatever. That'll

Dianne Flemington: 19:56

be great. I totally want us to dive into that bubble. Before we jump into that, I'm really curious because I've, we're on the Healthy Aging coach podcast. So I know that in the back of my minds of the tribe, they're like, Okay, so how does this you know, influence longevity or healthy aging?

Claire Dale: 20:12

Yeah, yeah. So I mean, I'm sure many people will know that inflammation is a big topic. And if you spend your life, you know, in an inflamed state, so emotionally, having lots of friction, frustrations, anger, these kinds of emotions that tend to be seen as hot emotions, and literally, they do actually heat the body up. And the body also becomes a little bit acidic in its internal environment. So we should really be a little bit alkali inside out the environments in the cells and so on, apart from the stomach, which needs to be acid. But so inflammation is a big thing. And this dictates how our genes switch on and off as well. So you know, the the epigenetics, the the environment, in the body will, will switch on the genes and these can be associated with various diseases. So we could have a propensity for a disease, and it gets switched on because the environment and our body rather than lying dormant, and, and, and so on. So obviously, then longevity is a factor, if the if you're inflamed, you're more likely to get sick. And that takes a toll on the body. And of course, can be very serious. But in a even in, in an inflamed cyst system, that's not ill, there's just a lot more stress on the body on the adrenal glands. And the GI will your tribe know about the telomere lengths at the end of the genes, these are, these are, you want them to these, these sort of extra bits on the end of the DNA strands, you want them to be slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly, going down during your lifetime. But if you live your life, like really foot on the accelerator, challenging the adrenals, all day, every day, or you just have really having a hard time, and it seems to be going on for a long time, the stress will start to reduce those telomeres you know, much more quickly. And this is this is what reduces our longevity. So we're talking about healthy aging, then movement is a huge factor. Movement is a massive factor functional movement in the body using the body in various ways every day. And that's really the problem with sedentary, you know, the the kind of technology and the laptop in front of us or the computer in front of us, you know, we we really weren't built for this sedentary lifestyle, but that's okay, so we've got lots of ways that we can move now. And we all know that movement is important. So living longer, you know, we can expect to have the when we're aging, you know, when we are 70 and 80. If we move younger, if we move early all our lives, we can be we can be flexible and adaptable and stronger as well, in our later years. And that's I guess what many of us want, which is to be healthy in later life. We want we don't necessarily want to live longer. If we're unwell and it's painful every day, we want to live a healthy, longer life.

Dianne Flemington: 23:30

Totally. That's what we're all about here in the tribe is like, okay, long life, but how do we make those and your lives? Very low? You know, health problems? Yeah, you thank you, in you what you just explained, you also gave us permission, because you're the first person that I've interviewed that has said, you know, we talk about the sedentary lifestyle. Now a lot of us in front of our laptops, like you mentioned, but you're the first one to go. And that's and that's okay, because there's lots of resources for us to get up and move around. And so I think I just want to point to the tribe. Claire's book is phenomenal for giving you many ways to make that shift from that sedentary space where you're we're as leaders, we can be working on projects, or articles or teams and not moving enough. And I think that your book is mandatory on a leadership bookshelf, for sure. And not only for themselves, but to inspire their teams to help look at advantages and ways of moving around more. So there's this nuance of thanks for giving us permission. And thank you for giving us lots of help with that. Yeah. So I want to honor your time and I do want you to start talking about the doctorate that you've been working on. Do you have some time you can share that but yeah,

Claire Dale: 24:49

yeah, yeah. So I think the leadership the the activity of being a leader today is extraordinary. exciting, challenging. I don't want to sound like the broken record, but it is incredible. You know, technology is amazing, it is absolutely amazing. And it's really creating an environment of fast change, and we need to be really fleet of foot, we need to be able to be landing something one moment, and then, you know, opening up into a whole range of diverse, diverse strategies and thoughts, the next. So, and with AI, and none of that is going to get sort of more straightforward, it becomes more complex how we lead. Yeah. So I really like the term corporate agility. Now I know that is used to describe, you know, technical, technological processes that will unleash, you know, the, the, the success of the mobility of a company that success. But I'm talking about the broader, you know, how do how do we be really agile in all aspects of thoughts, our ways of moving forward with our leadership styles with our own propensities for, you know, liking or prioritizing certain ways of leading, and not others, we found ways of helping sort of redress some of that balance so that you can, you can get more behavioral flexibility as a leader by working through the body with different leadership modes. That's a whole other story. But what I'm interested in what I'm doing my doctorate is looking at how we really get more flexibility and corporate agility. And what that really means in today's world, which is in a phenomenal, exciting world, and I do believe that we have so much that we, you know, just didn't have even 20 years ago. Yeah, this is extraordinary. And so the body is extraordinary and extraordinary technology. So we can't moan about it. But we do need to really be able to move fast, to be able to stretch, and there's different. So I'm developing a model of flexibility, because we need to be adaptable, we need to be neuro plastic, we need to be able to learn quickly, we need to be able to stretch for difficult things. And and so there's all these, and the agility is about the speed, the pace, the change of direction. So in fact, what I'm doing is creating a model for flexibility. Now, serotonin is one of the key chemicals in our flexibility. It not only keeps us emotionally mentally physically balanced, but it also plays a huge role in the flexibility, the suppleness of the connective tissue between muscle and bone. It also fires movement that is smooth and articulate. So serotonin actually fires the muscles, okay. And if you have low serotonin, you're tend to have staccato movement. If you have higher serotonin, you'll have serotonin firing off in those muscle fibers more regularly, that gives you the smoothness and the continuity. That makes sense. It does.

Dianne Flemington: 28:21

But you've just raised a wicked question in my brain. And I'm drawing that because I know you and I, the tribe knows for my intro of you that you have dancer experience. So this has something to do with how some people can dance better than other is that totally non related? Oh, that's

Claire Dale: 28:39

such a good question. And I don't know the answer. I haven't given that much thought actually.

Dianne Flemington: 28:46

How much serotonin is being released to the muscle?

Claire Dale: 28:50

I think I think actually, there will be in pain, certainly in people that can't find that, that that flow the smoothness, you know. Yeah. If if, if moving smoothly, in a flowing way is the last thing you would do. And there certainly are dancers who are more lyrical dancers and some other dancers that like more staccato, you know, just will have more impulse at the beginning. I'm not sure that serotonin relation related because there's kind of a different range of articulation that dancers have they need to be able to do all of that. And I think it's a really good question. But

Dianne Flemington: 29:30

but my partner is a nervous dancer. So I wonder if that's interrupting the serotonin to the muscle, that nervous energy, so perhaps that makes them more rigid and less flow? I don't know.

Claire Dale: 29:41

I just thought I think that is that is true, you know, a nervous and nervous dancer in someone that feels a bit exposed was not comfortable with it, then that tension and that cortisol rising will reduce the serotonin. We don't want to high serotonin because there's a whole other things that happen With that, but we want to read beautifully balanced serotonin and most people don't have quite enough, huh.

Dianne Flemington: 30:05

That's really interesting. Okay, cool. I've never heard that put into relationship before. Yeah,

Claire Dale: 30:12

yeah. So yeah, so the doctorate needs to sort of chart a course, for everyone, every human being but leaders in chain leaders who are leading change in particular, and I'm working with some teams and working working with them on this as well, for some big energy company, and so on, looking at how they are able to manage their cortisol levels and really get DHEA and serotonin nice and high. And the point is not that we're spouting chemistry, but you actually they actually are able to label a change in state. And they know how to access that change themselves at well, it's not about me sort of telling people what to do or how to do it. It's it's that handover, that's really important.

Dianne Flemington: 31:02

Totally, and for the leaders that are listening, I mean, that's when we're talking about performance and metrics. This is where we can what Claire is speaking to is these tools that she's offering help us with those those creations having being better performers, or having clear mind and efficiency in our workplace. It sounds like all of those are, you know, touched by what you're sharing in your book, and in your doctorate as well, by the sounds of it, people are at the case study for it. So is it too premature for me to ask when we might hear those results? All that unfolds for you? Oh,

Claire Dale: 31:39

I've got another year to do it. I don't know the year so then I'll have some virus for so yeah, I would say April, next date a week, a year in April. And with that, yeah, that's it. I think flexibility modeling is going to be really, really, really cool. And something you obviously I don't think many people are going to watch want to read the whole thing from beginning to end because all these theories and ologies and everything, but I will definitely pull out the thought leadership in it and share it widely.

Dianne Flemington: 32:07

So you up? Well, you offer a lots of educational resources and access to you in terms of so people to follow you or join a next course whether they're a leader or coached us into this program, where would you point them? Like what are you up to in the recent? So just for people who are listening right now we're recording you're hearing this are in December 2023. So we'll be sure to keep updating Claire's courses for the 2024. But for now, those who get the gift of you for Christmas, where might they find you sooner than later?

Claire Dale: 32:43

Well, excitingly, we've just launched our first digital course online course for for everyone, including leaders. And so it's a, it's a beautiful, sort of well produced video based experience of, of me sharing many of the things that are really at the root of your physical intelligence, and we work through what really is inner strength and confidence and authority? Where does that come from? And then we go into looking at flexibility and freedom and letting go and how that happens in human beings. And then how human beings are resilient. So that's the third element of strength, flexibility, resilience, and then endurance, how do we keep going with energy and stamina, and keep renewing that energy through our lifetime? So, yeah, there are actually six modules in this. And those are the four key elements of the module strength, flexibility, resilience, and endurance. And the idea is that you, you know, you take these things, and you weave them into, you know, your your life, and they, you start to be more aware of how you can change your inner state, and really start to work with the technology of the body from a knowledgeable place. So really, we're opening, it's like, we're taking the skin off, we're having a look inside, and then matching that with how we how our, our feeling of what it's like to be alive, our awareness of this changing or that changing, and specifically looking at behaviors that we might want to adopt because they're just far better for us and will live longer, you know, and our leadership will be enhanced. So that's, that's for everybody. Yeah,

Dianne Flemington: 34:37

and when does that start? That's well, that's

Claire Dale: 34:39

out now. So the DIY, yeah, you can go physical intelligence. institute.com go to Courses and you can, it's called Live with Pei live with vizlib. Yeah,

Dianne Flemington: 34:51

great. And then that'd be a great Christmas gift.

Claire Dale: 34:55

Gift. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. New Year sort of star But, and the other thing, the other one is, if there are any of you out there that are coaches, then we've got an extended experience. And we have one running, which is a mix, I should say a mix of live events, live online events, that is cool and video material and pods and bodies and loads of you know, elements of the experience that make it absolutely transformational. If you're a coach, and you would like to learn how to work with the body in a really tangible, technical and scientific way, gorgeous lot of some body work is takes a long time and is is is not as defined as what we've done, because we felt that this area needed definition. So people really feel that they can do it. So coaches out there that's that might be for you. It's called coaching with physical intelligence, it's there on the same website. Gorgeous.

Dianne Flemington: 35:58

So that will depict between those two depending on the audience. Exactly.

Claire Dale: 36:02

And if you are a coach, then the next one, the one that we're going to do on Australasia timezone is starts on the eighth of February, and the graduation is on the 18th of April. So it's a sort of three month experience. You're very highly recommended amazing feedback from that. My

Dianne Flemington: 36:21

gosh, girl, you are up to stuff, right. And amazing contributions to the world. So I'm excited to see all this on full and support your mission. It's a gorgeous one. I'm an advocate for people getting in touch with their physical intelligence. So this is definitely on my gift lists for people your book this year. So it's a part of a Bookshare program. And that is on the list for sure. And I recommend anybody who, wherever you're at in your physical journey, this is a massive asset to your to your library. So definitely put it on your wish list or just go out and give yourself some self care with it. Though Claire, as always, our interviewees get access, or we have to walk you through our three fire. See questions. Are you ready?

Claire Dale: 37:11

Yeah, I'm ready. All right.

Dianne Flemington: 37:15

So what age do you want to live a healthy life to? Ah,

Claire Dale: 37:19

I would like to live I think till about 95. And I'd like to be active and moving until the day I die. Yeah, got

Dianne Flemington: 37:28

it? And what will that allow you to be do or have living healthy to 95?

Claire Dale: 37:34

Well, you know, I had my son when I was a little late in life. So I'm really hoping that you know, that I'll really catch the grandchildren not only born but growing up if I'm lucky enough to have them. But I think the more important thing is about this mission of physical intelligence work, you know, we have head teachers now using it in schools, we have an assessment tool, we have a mission to really, you know, have the books been translated into Chinese Russian to are two types of Chinese, Russian, Taiwanese, Greek, all kinds of languages. And so we're really putting the tools of the body in the hands of everybody, is what we really want to do. Of course, we probably won't, we'll probably fail on that mission. That's that mission to get everybody in the world seeing as there are billions of people in the world but I'll probably die of failure on that one. But the mission is important, you know, that we we get out there and and help people live less with less stress and more of a

Dianne Flemington: 38:39

meaningful legacy for sure. Absolutely. And what is something that scares you about growing older?

Claire Dale: 38:48

I was thinking about this and I mean, I think I think it must be very common. I'm not the only one that I just am a little scared of dying a very painful death, you know, getting sick and feeling out of control. And that that is that I that I'm not in control of that. The pain I think it's you know the uncomfortableness of that I'm actually not scared of dying I think we made a star das we go back to the earth we you know, it's part of life and death and I hope that people around me when I die are are not too sad, you know that they're able to really let let go because I will be letting go. I'm not frightened of that. But I really do not want to have a painful death.

Dianne Flemington: 39:35

What a nice that's a really nice vision. So in these moments of experiencing this thinking, how do you manage that fear?

Claire Dale: 39:46

Well, then there's the acceptance isn't there? And I think wherever our mind turns to something that may not be as we want it, there's that and it comes from our serotonin level the ability Need to let go the ability to accept. And you know, I don't know about you, but you know, I try and find that switch a lot in my life when I'm when I think something is a barrier by looking at how I can dissolve that and how I can work around it how I can move into the spaces rather than, you know, keep keep pushing up against something because often, especially with people when you push up against them, there's always a counter reaction always. Yeah, yeah. So the dissolve the dissolving and the moving into the spaces. Is is very important. So I think acceptance of what's happening will be the thing that, you know, help helps me with that fear.

Dianne Flemington: 40:44

It's beautiful, it feels very nurturing to. So who's the coolest person you know, that are alive, that's older. Mentor model.

Claire Dale: 40:59

I mean, a mentor, I know, the woman that jumps to mind is my mum, she's 88. But she's, she's survived so much, including having a disabled child a year older than me. And just so determined to even though we, you know, we were, we were restricted as a family, because we were we were trying to get around as a family of four kids and my family and my sister was a wheelchair user. And we couldn't go on beaches, you know, it was difficult, everything was kind of difficult, because there wasn't a lot of great disabled access at that point. But I remember my mother just being so determined, we will go on that Cliff Walk, we will go on to that beach. And I love her for that. She's the most amazing, amazing woman.

Dianne Flemington: 41:44

You carry that energy. And I feel even through this dimension that we're in now. There's this strong will, right? Yes. And with the beautiful nurturing of the acceptance, it's so it's a wonderful week just to even see that energy in you.

Claire Dale: 41:59

Thank you.

Dianne Flemington: 42:00

So thanks so much for taking the time to come and speak to me and the tribe and share what you've been up to, which is amazing research and actions to help people get in touch with themselves and improve and make themselves I say, learn to make themselves better and perform better. And I don't know, there's some ease that comes with that knowledge, especially after reading your book was like this isn't so complicated. And tribe, just a footnote. The one thing I really appreciated about Claire's book is the ease of it, we can really get into the some of that we invite lots of you know, academics on the program. But what I find is the usable and makes it really valuable is that we can pick up their products and put them to work right away without having to go through a little frustrations in them. And yours is amazing that way. So I can only imagine that your course is going to be that way as well. So I'm excited to hear from the tribe who's actually going to be participating. And maybe there's some little pods that we can create inside the tribe who are part of your program. So that would be amazing. So thank you, you are an inspiration to me and to those that are listening. And I hope that lots of you took notes on the YouTube channel, you'll see links to all of Claire's offering so that we can reach out to her and access her I'm sure she'll find a way to respond and get in touch and offer you what you need. And if you if I can help you in any way to the tribe and of course to you Claire then all of you can reach out to me at Dianne at motion forward.co But for all of you I wish you nothing but healthy long living lifestyle and happy holidays for those of you who got this as a gift and Claire you're just about to launch into your own holiday season. Are you actually taking time?

Claire Dale: 43:53

Well I have got a few doctorate days you know in there but they're all in the diary and then there's that there's a there's that lovely breathing space around New Year then I'm off to Dubai actually to do some work with some teams, because they're not really celebrating Christmas in the same way as we are so second of January. I should be on a plane.

Dianne Flemington: 44:12

Wow. Well, much success to you with that. I imagine we'll be crossing paths for sure. And everybody else. Go and live your healthy lifestyle and I'll see you on the next podcast or in the newsletter. So Ciao for now.