Having a Growth Mindset At Any Age: KAT SANDIFORD

In this podcast interview you get to listen into a woman who has learned to turn her mindset around.  You will hear clearly what you can put in play for you to begin to change the areas of your life that may have gotten off the rails
Kat Sandiford is an inspiration for all those who meet or work with her.   As a client of mine she showed up with some amazing transformations and took actions that had her seeing herself differently, more positively.    

Some tools mentioned on the program are:
Ben Crow - Mojo app
Gratitude Diary
Imperfect Podcast
Brene Brown docuseries and podcast

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Transcript

Dianne Flemington: 0:25

Welcome to The Healthy Ageing coach podcast. I'm your coach Dianne Flemington. Welcome back. Dr. You are in another episode of the Healthy Ageing coach. So today, I am so happy to have with us Kat Sandiford, did I get your name right Sandiford? Yes. I've always only ever called you by your first name.

Unknown: 0:48

Yes, you got it.

Dianne Flemington: 0:51

Awesome. So you're listening today, because you're getting curious about how others are looking at their life and how and as they age. And personally, as you all know, I believe that perspective is valuable. It's the whole reason why I started the podcast, because it allows you to notice when people share their experiences, or what they're up to the actions they're taking, or maybe the challenges they're having, where you feel most aligned. And that allows you to make stronger decisions from rather than just being in our own heads trying to figure everything out on our own. So that's a lot different than just following the majority and hoping something works for us. I also want you to walk away from today from listen to this episode with some immediate actions that you take. So if you got a pen and paper or a way to jot down some ideas, as you hear Kat talk about her amazing way she works through challenges and lives her life, don't not take notes, it's so crucial that we hear good ideas, we put them down on paper and make a plan about how we want to where we're going to instill those actions. So the Healthy Aging coach isn't just about providing you resources and strategies. The whole point of all this podcast is to get you to match your healthspan to overlay equally with your lifespan. And I'm always telling people, how am I asking people how old they want to live to? And how healthy are they today? Does it match that which they're going to live? Who I noticed, is doing great work and navigating her mental fitness and health span. And I wanted you to meet her and hear some of her wisdom. So today is Kat Sandiford who's in Australia where I am right now. She's an Australian who has worked in senior roles for large organizations for two decades or over two decades. And today is an innovation marketing manager. She's also a mom of two boys and a caring wife and a friend, someone who we'd all love to have in our life. And you will too once you hear her talk today. So she's working hard to learn as she's worked hard and is working hard to manage her mindset, which she shares today is a much kinder place these days. And I'm very curious about that, where she came from and how she got here. That's what we're going to hear about today. So welcome to the healthy agent, coach, podcast cat. I'd love for you to Yeah, I'd love for you to share a little bit more about that, that you when you sent that over to me it was very intriguing. That comments about it's a much kinder place these days. What was it like for you before? Ah,

Kat Sandiford: 3:41

um, I think I left a couple of decades of being very self critical. Always looking at what I could do better always catastrophizing things. Actually, probably from a place of fear, actually to not getting outside of my comfort zone not wanting to try things. And it wasn't a terrible place. Like there was moments where it felt average, but really, it sort of just became a little bit blah, life became a little bit flat, mundane, and I wasn't really getting much joy out of a lot of things. So yeah, that's and I don't know where it came from. I can particularly like it didn't stem from an incident didn't stem from a bad childhood. It just sort of became part of how I framed my head. And then one day I just decided I actually don't even know I think I've actually been trying to get through a cycle of deciding to change it but then one day I just went actually something initiated and then I thought that time for a bit of a change.

Dianne Flemington: 4:47

Nice. Yeah, so also sounds that layer you had some awareness going on to you're aware of how uncomfortable it felt. And also some awareness about nap time to start looking at So for the tribe, I invited Kat on the podcast today. As for me, she was showing up to our coaching calls as a woman who was willing to try things on and put new ideas into action. And to see if they created results, that results that she was looking to achieve whether it wasn't quite clear, she was willing to sort of play around and some new actions and see what what emerged from those. And when I witnessed Kat do this, it showed up for me as inspiring and definitely a woman I needed to share across the tribe. So recently, or maybe not. So recently, now it feels like it's been recent, but she shared with me this 52 week challenge that she created. And I knew that you all needed to hear about it. So Kat, let's jump in, if that's okay with you. Tell us about the challenge. And what prompted you to start? Yes,

Kat Sandiford: 5:50

so, um, it's a 52 week stepping outside of my comfort zone challenge. And I think a couple of things happened, but sort of all happened in a couple of days. And the first thing that happened is my leader at the time, asked me to do a q&a session with our CEO of a really big organization. And at the time, I remember thinking, Oh, God, why have you asked me, I am the last person in our team that should be doing this. There's so many more engaging people that people really good at this stuff. And I felt a bit sick about it. And then on the day, I sort of went, you know what, actually, I'm just gonna go in and do it. And then after it, I just felt so alive, I felt great. I felt like I had nailed it. I like looked at all the positives that came out of it didn't like focus in on any of those negatives. And that sort of just made me go, what am I doing, I've been like, too scared to try things new. And I've my end up being not feeling actually just feeling a little bit nothing. And then to feel so great. I thought actually, I need to do something here. So then I don't know how exactly it got to the 50 week, 52 week comfort zone challenge. But then I just sat there and thought actually, that was so outside of my comfort zone. I didn't want to do more and more of it. And then I started doing a couple of other things. And then I thought actually, you know what, I've heard people say a routine takes on a short few months, couple of months to establish, or 21 days or however many days it is. Actually I think I've got two decades of undoing. So I'm going to do 52 weeks, stepping outside my challenge. And I'm currently at week 38 and loving it and feeling great. Awesome.

Dianne Flemington: 7:32

Week 38. Like, I'm asking the tribe right now think to yourself, What was the last time you did something consistently outside of eating or feeding your children or a dog or for someone else? Because we're really great at doing things for other people. But what was the last time you did something for yourself even for just for 38 weeks and cats up to where she's at aiming for 52? So just notice that right? There's some

Kat Sandiford: 7:58

times so it's been continuous. There's been ups and downs, and how silly to sit there and stop for a few weeks. And you're like, Oh, I'm not feeling great. And then I'd go double pace. And I might actually get myself back get into it. So yeah,

Dianne Flemington: 8:13

I'm good at that. That's awesome. I'm really glad to share that. I mean, you're human, oh my gosh. Right. But the trick is that we accept where we're at. And then we get back up to it again, right, we put I always say put our big lady pants back on and get back on the horse. So that's super important to do that. I'm over here going. That's a lot of weeks. How do you come up with the ideas? Like how does that? Do you plan a day? Do you talk to different people to use books? Like how do you come up with the different challenges,

Kat Sandiford: 8:46

some of them have been small challenges, and some of them been bigger ones. So like, one of the bigger ones has been like a cold water swim that I did. And I hate the cold and I hate swimming. But I was at the beach with a girlfriend and she was like, Let's go for a swim. And I was gonna say no. And for me it's actually been every time I think no, I just quickly try to reframe that to a yes. Well, it's been so it hasn't actually been a conscious I'm gonna plan to do this, this and this. I actually haven't done that once. It's just in that moment when I hear no, I go actually turn that into a yes. And that creates whatever it is. So when I'm sitting there and my sons were like planning to do one or to do surf lessons was another one. I was like, I know I won't do that. I'll just watch and then I sat down with actually Why am I always a spectator? Like why don't I get into it? So that was like that just do a surf lesson. I probably won't be able to get up on the board but who cares? It'll be worth a shot and might be fun giving it a go. So it's just like those sort of little things.

Dianne Flemington: 9:46

Totally. And you just brought up a really interesting point. So let me ask first for clarity, when you did your surf lesson, did you do them with your son or was that a separate lesson on your own?

Kat Sandiford: 9:56

So that to do it, I've booked it so I'm okay got my son on He's didn't birthday.

Dianne Flemington: 10:01

Oh, see weeks make up that that has a massive ripple effect, you know, to watch your mom, if I think back to my mom and watching her, put herself into a challenge, boy, that would have fed a lot of goodness. And for me to see that my dad was very much that way. So I can appreciate that. And I can't wait to see the impact that that has on them. The positive impact. So cool.

Kat Sandiford: 10:26

That's so what else? When I did this, it wasn't about them. This was purely about me that I actually, if you ask me, one of the benefits that's come out of it has been that I've been I've had conversations with them about things and about, you know, if you feel a little bit worried, or, you know, don't feel brave enough, you know, just give it a go. And I've given them a few examples. And giving blood was another one that I did, because needles. And that one actually is probably one of my favorite ones, because it taught me two things. It taught me yep, it's okay, you can do it, you can achieve it, and it's fine. But it also taught me that give it when you're not feeling so good, good yourself, the best thing you can do is give to something else. And so feel so much better. So that was probably one of my favorite ones, even though it's a little bit different to some of the other ones. But my kids loved that too, because they've got fears of needles, too. So it's sort of you know, it's good to be able to discuss that with them. Totally.

Dianne Flemington: 11:23

Yeah, it's just, I mean, I feel like I could talk to you for days and all these questions that keep coming up. But I want to honor your time, so. So really, there are just moments for you that show up as a no moment that you transform into a yes. And that turns into the challenge for you. Okay, cool. Now, is there any, like I'm gonna call it formal? But is there any reflection process that you do after the week or something to see, you know, how, because you speak fairly eloquently about what you learned? And what you notice? So is that something that you do formally? Or just is that just a? How does that look,

Kat Sandiford: 11:58

I wouldn't say it's formal I, I keep a track of my 52 weeks and what I'm doing every week, and I capture key learnings. So I don't sort of sit there at a certain time of day and reflect specifically on something. But I do capture, as I sort of sit there and go, Oh, actually, I've just learned this about myself, I capture it in these notes. So sometimes I actually go back and check that to be like, oh, yeah, to remind myself some of the things I've like forgotten. Now one of the other things I've learned is, sometimes it takes small steps. So rather than think that you need to go after this big, big thing that's really outside your comfort zone, actually taking small steps is been good. And I think confronting conversations has been one of those ones. For me, I hate confronting conversation. And I've been just doing little ones and doing them with people I feel more comfortable with and then taking it a little bit further and doing it people are not as comfortable with and just sort of like just trying to take some baby steps along the way. So if you saw my list, some of it might feel like, Oh, that's not really that far out of your comfort zone. But for me, it was and for me, it was a step towards other things. It makes it Yeah,

Dianne Flemington: 13:11

I like that. That's a great point. Because when we look at each others, we might feel challenged. And this is a great point for the tribe is each other's challenges can be different. So it's just an honoring of ourselves and what feels like a little bit of a leap, or hurdle or a challenge that we want to promote. And there's a great point that you also bring up here around the personal and professional, it seems like there's lots of crossover there and the learning for you. Yeah, so what you can how I made up in the beginning of this is felt very personal. But then some of the challenges that you mentioned sound like how they would actually shape shift your leadership at work as well. Yeah, I feel true. I

Kat Sandiford: 13:52

feel like most of the challenges to date have been more in my personal life than in my workplace. But there is actually I've set myself a challenge actually to put some more into my work life. So that's certainly a challenge. I've given myself for the last, you know, 10 weeks. But what I will say is I feel like sort of the human needs the same me whether that's at work or at home. So I do feel a little bit like even knowing some of the things aren't happening at work. I'm learning more about myself, which is just, I think making me better in my job in my leadership in sort of just all elements of my life. In essence. Yeah.

Dianne Flemington: 14:36

All right, so I'm gonna get I want to ask for some specifics now. What are the standout that you've learned about yourself? And this is a point to just be you know, be cool, like be awesome about sharing what you learned about yourself. This isn't don't worry about being shy. This isn't a judgement space. Just what have you. What are you like, oh my god, I see myself like this. Now. This is great.

Kat Sandiford: 15:00

I think that the biggest thing is sort of links back to that turning a no into a yes, in that I catastrophize things and went to the worst possible outcome. And now I've been able to completely shift my mindset to be like, actually, what's the best possible outcome? And I think that's probably the been the most impact, I would say, on my own well being and just my own headspace and how I get through my days and how I lay in bed at night and be like, yeah, actually had a good day, I feel good about myself, I'm not welling on worrying about things that never really needed to be worried about. This.

Dianne Flemington: 15:39

It's amazing, right? The two things that I always talked to the tribe about focusing on in terms of priorities is health. Get health, like you got to focus on health in order to get that longevity milestones under our belt. And the second thing is learning how to manage your mindset, because our brain controls so much of our living and existence and actually our health. So you're really getting a handle on that. And there are good and bad days. And you shared something very personal with me about that inner voice, can you share with the tribe and talk a bit about that, what you noticed about your inner voice and your names for it? Or no names or what? Yeah,

Kat Sandiford: 16:21

I did a session through the Mojo app, which is the bed and CRO app. And what I had to do is I had to write a story and through the eyes of my inner fan, and the eyes of my inner critic, and that exercise in itself taught me a huge amount, because there were the exact same details, but the stories could not have been further apart. And doing that little exercise, which I still remember writing it and feeling like actually the inner critic was really easy to write, I wrote that like, in minutes. And in a fan took me quite a bit of time to write and actually even went back and kept sort of building on it and so forth. But that exercise in itself just taught me so much about mindset, like you said, and you've been talking to me this about this as well, for over a year now we've been you've been helping me work through this. So yeah, that was probably one of the key things.

Dianne Flemington: 17:26

So I hear you say inner fan and inner critic, right? Is that how you decipher? So what made it? What do you think like, what do you make up about? Why is it so easy for us? Because you're not alone in that for us to really associate and be very easy to write down or Narrator inner critic versus our inner fan? What of what are you learned about that? Or what do you think that's about?

Kat Sandiford: 17:50

I think we're hardwired to have a critical lens, or I don't know, if everyone is actually I feel like I'm somehow hardwired to have an inner critic lens. And actually make my inner voice louder than my inner critic. Actually, it requires effort, it actually doesn't just happen. And I have to have actually still, at times have to catch myself like, as soon as I hear it creep back in. I'm like nuts. Stop it, put it away. Let the other voice be louder. So yeah, I think it's just an awareness. And I just trying to know knowing it's there. Actually, I don't even know if I knew it was there. Maybe that's probably part of it. I only had one voice in my head and just knowing there's another voice and that other voice can make me feel better and less critical of myself.

Dianne Flemington: 18:44

Hmm. So. So what how'd you get that knowing? What was that? tweaker? And you're like, oh,

Kat Sandiford: 18:55

no, actually, I can't pinpoint that. Actually. No, I can't. All right. Well, it besides that exercise, I spoke about that I sorted. Yeah. And how can you have the exact same facts? And stories? Yeah, probably.

Dianne Flemington: 19:11

Yeah. That's probably a really great Revealer there for sure. Because you can see yourself right up to different perspectives of yourself. And that would give your brain access to perspective, which is Oh, yeah, and we label because we're humans are good at labeling judging, right? So we call it good, bad, or what do we call inner critic or inner fan? So yeah, well done. That takes a lot of work. I mean, I've worked with a lot of leaders around this space, and it is no easy feat to rewire our brain and that's exactly what you're doing right now is when you shift mindset and work on that in a consistent way. You're rewiring your brain, so that's amazing. So how has listening to your inner fan made you feel

Kat Sandiford: 19:59

oh, I'm much kinder to myself. I just I feel like I'll like myself I have a better relationship with myself. I never even used to like spending time on my own. I've slipped like, why would I want to spend time on my own like just didn't love didn't like, didn't like it? I feel like I have more courage now, because I've got a more positive outlook rather than a more negative outlook to things or more fearful outlook, I guess. I feel less anxious. So I feel like I've always felt this underlying anxiousness, nervousness, overwhelm, get overwhelmed. And that now I think, because I'm just giving my permission myself permission to not be perfect, not do not need to do it right all the time. My band's definitely not creating a perfection, it's actually just creating an acceptance, I think. So I think that's making me just feel karma. Wow,

Dianne Flemington: 21:00

there is a distinguished moment. So tribe, I totally want you to hear that. If you can say that, again, cat, because I really want your you distinct to distinguish is that, you know, you're giving yourself permission to be in acceptance and not perfection, right? That is a massive key and a massive insight that I want everyone to hear. And just loosening the grip on ourselves a bit allows other things to well allows us to breathe the body and mind and allows us to be able to feel things and feel into things and provide opportunities for ourselves. So well done. That's a massive insight.

Kat Sandiford: 21:40

I feel like also, I'm very lucky to work at a workplace where people aren't scared to show their vulnerabilities. So I feel like that also made me feel really comfortable to do that as well. And, you know, I've been even connecting in with certain colleagues who are sharing, you know, some of their things that they worry about, and things that you know, are on their mind. And just hearing everyone else's story, and, you know, even leaders that are looking at and be like, Wow, they are just something else, they are so good. They're going to be CEOs in the next 10 years. And to hear that they have the same sort of worries, and so forth. And they're really vulnerable about all that. It's just I think he has given me permission to be like, actually, no one's perfect. We're all in this world just doing the best we can. Yes.

Dianne Flemington: 22:33

So again, tribe, here's another invite, you don't need to go it alone, right? So cat has found her whatever those are her connection points. So she can see get perspectives and hear other ways that people are struggling or having challenges and working through them. And it's allowing her to figure out her own way through it. But I hear what also what you're saying Kat is having those connection points allows some comfort and normalization and like, Okay, I'm not in this alone. And I want the tribe to know, they don't ever have to do this alone. So thank you for sharing that. All right, I want to do a little journey with you if that's okay, on this inner fan. And the reason why is I want tribe, the tribe to start noticing when their inner fan is present, because to your point. Hey, I didn't even know that there was an inner critic and now I got an inner fan how cool like To me that's, that's a gift right to for have people have that awareness. So can we get to know your inner fan a little bit? Yeah. Yeah,

Kat Sandiford: 23:35

um, no name, it's not a hero, she does have a shape. What's that?

Dianne Flemington: 23:44

Does it have a shape, like some kind of shape or form, it's just kind of human a blob.

Kat Sandiford: 23:52

It's like, I feel like when I'm at my camera's everything white. So white, for me equals calm. So my fan is about my fan actually is about staying in a state of calm, not going to a state of catastrophe or state of worry or so forth. So it's about staying there. But then also trying to find the good thing. So there's a sunshine element to it. It's about finding, you know, the good things in everything that we do. And actually part of that for me too, is I've started a gratitude diary to help me just keep that top of mind too, in part of my daily activities to keep my life again, I will do that sometimes then I'll drop off and then I'll need to pick it up again. But I actually love having it even if I don't do it daily, because I love going back sometimes and just looking at things and going yeah, this is actually been a really great year and I personally have achieved some really great things whether that be actual things or just be the way I've thought about them in my own head. it and felt good about them. So yeah, I think that's probably how my inner fan plays out of it. So

Dianne Flemington: 25:08

how you relate to it? So does I'm just going to kind of peruse this with you, does it have any texture or sound or smell like when you think about your inner fan, you talk color. So for me, it sounds like there's some magnificent color around the inner fan that promotes a positive energy and positive thinking. Anything else show up in that texture smell or sound for you?

Kat Sandiford: 25:32

Know, it's just more alive. So yeah, okay, well, they just got more of a buzz to it. So it's moving from a state of blah. And feeling, actually, and yeah, that's when I said lack of joy earlier. It's actually not like a joy because there's not a sadness, it just nothingness actually. So

Dianne Flemington: 25:55

like melancholy. But not

Kat Sandiford: 25:57

even that, because I take melancholy to sadness. It's just sort of just, I don't know, not like, I don't know, not feeling neutral, blah, blah, blah. But so yeah, this the my inner fan just feels more alive, it feels like it's got electricity, because there's not like as far as that it doesn't need to, it's just this underlying hum and buzz that feels nice.

Dianne Flemington: 26:28

Cool, I feel I got a little vision for myself over here. And that actually gifts me thank you for that gift, because it does give me with an access point to also I'm always looking to support positive mindset. So what other things can I bring in, and I really loved that son image he gave like, it's like a son. And I put points on my son. And it made me I want to ask you a question. When you move from inner critic, to inner fan, are you aware yet of how you go to access the inner fan? When you're in inner critic or in a neutral zone? How do you actually access your inner fan?

Kat Sandiford: 27:08

I just tell myself to stop. But like, it's my inner critic, generally quite loud. So I just make myself stop and just tell myself to be kind, or nice, be kind, be kind. And then the fan is fine. The fan just appears sort of as well. But as long as I like silence, the critic definitely more of what needs to happen. Yeah,

Dianne Flemington: 27:37

I'm going to just pause here from a tribe, cat talk to something really interesting. I'm trying to get her to connect to that. How do we draw out when we need to call on our inner fan, what is our access points, it's really key work that I want you to look for when so Kat uses the word stop. And I in my mind, for be would be more like stop like the inner critic just stop right? I be able to be a little more frantic about it. I don't know what it's like for you. And, and then that, but when you said the word just be kind, I just had a flood of like, like a breath, exhale, going, Oh, that just totally influenced. So noticing our language we're using and swapping language is really important to changing state and physiology. So you talked a little bit about and you said it's not really like an electricity, it's just like this little bit of an energy that shifts for you. So I want the tribe just to notice what that is for them so they can reach for that and start noticing what their natural tendencies to pull towards their inner fan is. Impact on your relationships. I have a note here with a big question mark. I'm curious. I mean, this is this is no light chore in life. This is life work you were up to. And you've got two boys, Anna, and a life partner, husband and lots of family and friends. So what's going on any conversations about the challenge and how that's impacted them or what they're noticing?

Kat Sandiford: 29:11

I'm like I said, I think it's helps them think about both of my boys actually probably inherently more fearful sort of boys. more cautious actually is probably the word I'd say which is pretty good. Sometimes when you're a mom, they're not gonna go and jump off the bridge and they're gonna go and do all this. They sort of, you know, quite new, you know, quite what's the word considered about how they go about things. So I'd definitely opened up a conversation around it's okay to take a little bit of a leap of faith it's okay to sort of push yourself out a little bit. It's okay to do it in baby steps. You don't have to go from having a fear of dogs to going up and patting a ginormous Alsatian that's walks path like which is one of the things one of my kids has, but I think one of the outcomes also for me has been that I just Your lack of a better mom, like I just feel like I'm, you know, when you've got your inner critic always talking to you often in your own head. Whereas in a fan can say something, but then you feel good at it, just get on with it. Though I do feel like I just am more present and I'm become a better listener, because of just, I feel calmer in myself. So rather than telling, constantly telling, because they're young, so you still in the movie out of that phase of, you know, telling and, you know, now moving more into asking, Which to, you know, in hindsight, I probably should have been doing more asking, you know, years earlier, but I'm not going to beat myself up about that, that's fine. But yeah, I think I've become a bit of a bit of mum, as a result. And one thing you still need to work on, as I still think I probably could do more listening with my friends. So I'm a bit of a chatter and I, you know, when I catch up with my friends, it's quite a social thing. And, you know, I'll get excited about whatever I'm talking about, and a bit of a chatter. So I, there's still, you know, it's still things I've, you know, still want to work on with that.

Dianne Flemington: 31:16

But it's beautiful. The think that when people come on, and they say how their parenting has shifted. That's, that's monumental. I mean, that we're talking generation, we know that that shifts generations of behavior when that starts to show up. So that's amazing. You mentioned a couple of tools. You said, You journal, you do a gratitude journal, and you mentioned one that you got through work, or Miko. Yeah. So can you share some of the maybe tools or tricks that allow you to keep that mental fitness and wellbeing for yourself? Yeah,

Kat Sandiford: 31:55

well, the motor app has been instrumental, that's been really good. It's been a three stage course that I've done. And you could do it at your own pace. But I'd love that I went ahead really quickly and tried to complete the whole thing, because I was just so into it. So that one's been really good. I also listened to a podcast that I sort of like my weekly if not daily, sort of sanity check and check it on myself, which is called the imperfect x, which is run by Hugh Vanden can't remember his surname, actually. And Ryan Shelton, is the other guys part of that. So that's great, that pretty much talks to sort of part of what we're talking about his talks to imperfections and celebrating people's imperfections. And it has celebrities on or so talks to them and sort of some of the struggles that they face. And it's quite vulnerable, it's actually really quite good. So that's another and then the other one I've just started getting into is I've been listening to Brene, Brown's podcasts as well, and documentaries, around vulnerability. And I found that one really, really useful and vulnerability and leadership, as well. So that's been great. And then obviously, Diane, the work that I've been doing with you over the last nearly 18 months, and having our coaching sessions is also been helps helpful. So I feel like I'm pulling on lots of different things. And I'll use some at certain times, and others at different times, depending on my mood. But yeah, there's been a lot of things actually, that are sort of kept me on track. I

Dianne Flemington: 33:31

love what you just pointed to there, right? It's not like these absolute things all the time that you have this array of tools around you, and you pull on them as you need them. I think that's a really great distinction. Excellent. And it's been my pleasure that's been having you, you have just showed up as a woman for me who is really up to things in their life and aren't really you know, you don't make a big drama about it. You just do what you need to do in order to transform whatever's going on. I think that you're a great teacher and mentor for a huge population of people. So thank you for being here. Now, I have those three fire seat questions sets for you. Are you ready? Yes. All right. So enter the tribe. I did ask that beforehand if it was okay. Always ask permission to ask for people's age. So this isn't something that I just drop on them and hope for the best. But um, we want to start off with knowing your age cap because some of the questions here are about you know, how you see your future self. So what age are you today?

Kat Sandiford: 34:39

A young 47

Dianne Flemington: 34:41

Awesome. Okay, and so what age do you want to live a healthy life to

Kat Sandiford: 34:45

100 100

Dianne Flemington: 34:47

And so, living too healthy to 100 years old? What will that allow you to be do or have?

Kat Sandiford: 34:57

I really want to see my kids grow. Kids, I want to see them grow up. I want to be really involved in their lives. I'd love to see my grandkids, kids as well. But I'm not sure I have whether that will play out or not. But I really just want to be fit and healthy and around and being able to play on the floor with them and not being sitting around and being a burden. To yeah, I've only got two boys and I can't I'm often sitting there thinking, there's only two of you. And if one of us ended up getting sick, and you know, it becomes really hard having elderly parents, that's not fair. There's not enough load to share. Not enough kids hear that across. So yeah, that's what's important to me.

Dianne Flemington: 35:41

Huh? Wow. Right. So there's like a mindset of in your breeding around care across the family. Like that's like a generational care. Cool. All right. So what's something that scares you about growing older? You mentioned there about the being? What was the word you use? Not being healthy enough for? What was the word you use? Being just?

Kat Sandiford: 36:02

Yeah, I want to be mobile and healthy. And I think that's probably what scares me the most like, I just don't want to be a burden on the family burden. That was it. Yeah, I just, I want the, I want the kids to be able to enjoy their lives and their kids and not be worrying about looking after me as I get old. If I'm not healthy and fit enough in it, yes, there's going to be a point where you're going to need support, I just don't want that to be too young. And for go for too long.

Dianne Flemington: 36:32

Got it. So for you that was the distinguished, the distinction I was looking for a burden for you is when you need support, does that mean like a mobility support? Or any kind of? What is that? Do you know what that is? Yeah, I

Kat Sandiford: 36:45

think it's just the everyday living stuff. So they're having to make sure that I'm okay. And I'm fed and I'm not going to fall over. And I can, you know, look after myself. And if I can't, that the right decisions I made that I'm living somewhere that people can help me with that. And it doesn't fall on the kids and impact their life. I guess too much.

Dianne Flemington: 37:08

Yeah, got it. So how do you manage that fear, the fear of being a burden. Um,

Kat Sandiford: 37:14

I think I'm just trying to stay as young as I can. So I'm quite conscious about like, making sure that I'm fit and healthy, making sure muscles, like still there because your muscles degrade over time. So strength work, and so forth. And I've only just been able to get back into that because I've been nursing. A injury for a while. That's a big part for me. And also, it's about sort of also making sure that I stay relevant from a conversation point of view. So I think that's also important is making sure your mindset can evolve with what's going on in the world, with your kids and so forth. So, yeah,

Dianne Flemington: 38:01

it's tight, it's tightly linked to meaning and purpose in there to that relevancy. So the tribe knows about the seven influencers that are created, that's actually what the tribe is. Its core lives around the seven influencers to healthy living, and that's one of them, you know, that meaning and purpose are being staying relevant. So that's a good point. All right. Now, who's the coolest older person, you know, that are alive? Um,

Kat Sandiford: 38:34

I'm gonna say not the coolest, but if I could meet anyone, it would be my pop. And my pop actually died at the age of 66. So I was 14 years old, and he would have been 100 years old this year, actually. Wow. What's that?

Dianne Flemington: 38:54

Happy Birthday pup?

Kat Sandiford: 38:55

Yeah, a couple months ago. So yeah, if I could have a conversation, or have anyone ever done it, it would be with him. I feel like I knew him as a kid. And I adored him as you would do you adore your grandparents. But I'd love to sit down and have a conversation with him as an adult. And I understand the world through his eyes, and I've got his picture. It's literally just sitting up there. And every time I look at that picture, I think to myself, he just that he was the kindest, most caring man, he loved his wife like they know they always held hands walking down the streets. I had a very, very loving relationship. It was the best dad the best granddad. He worked really, really hard. Yeah, he was just a really special man. So it's funny I sort of when you say the coolest people, he's someone that I adore. And I don't know him that well, because I haven't known him for 30 years, but I do have a picture in my head of what he was and what he still would be if you know he was here. So yeah,

Dianne Flemington: 39:57

nice. It sounds like he's on left a family with an essence of him. You know, there's an essence of what your pop was like cool, kind, loving. Yeah, hardworking. Yeah, really cool. Awesome. I think that's cool. Cool. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to be on the show. I know for sure the tribe will get a lot from this conversation, you're an inspiration to me. And I know you're an inspiration to those around you. And I hope that, that those who are listening can take away some tidbits from this message. I know there's lots of little juicy bits in here, that they will go and take some action in their life. And if at least develop their inner fan, they might have one already than just to make it even bigger and stronger and show up more often. That would be amazing. And for those of you who are interested in cat was talking about how our relationship was around coaching. If you're interested, you know that if you want to get some coaching from me, just reach out onto the comment section here or you can reach out to me at Dianne at motion forward.co But I wish all of you nothing else but a healthy long, live better live longer life full of passion and loving and all the connections that you desire. Thank you, cat. Take care of yourself and we will all see you in your next session.