Having a Growth Mindset at 60: David Tannard

An interview with David Tannard as he shares his mindset around ageing and having a positive attitude about it. 
A natural discussion with a man who has sold and retired from his business in a bicycle shop and rather than slowing down has since supported owners in local business and taken some training to pusue some of his passions as a mountain bike instructor.

This is a nice podcast to listen to when you have 45mins to sit and enjoy a relaxing moment with curiosity.  Share with our male friends and family who may enjoy a mans perspective on ageing. 

Thanks for listening. Feel free to follow the Leadership Longevity conversation on LinkedIn as well.
Just click here

Transcript

Dianne Flemington: 0:22

Welcome to The Healthy Aging coach podcast. I'm your coach, Dianne Flemington. All right tribe. Here he is, as I mentioned, we were waiting for him before him, but he has now arrived. So I'm happy that you're here and you're getting curious about how others are looking at their life as they age. And I want you to meet a spectacular Well, there are many things I could call positive things I could call Mr. Tanner, Mr. David Tanner. But most prolifically, I think that he's been a globetrotter. He's spent many, many years in retail, which comes with a lot of sorted challenges and learnings which he brings to the table. He's a wonderful friend and inspiration to everybody who meets them. He's the kindest cyclist I've ever written within Australia. There I say he's semi retired because one of the things I love about David and why I'm having him on today's podcast is he doesn't sit still, but in a good way. It's not like a coping mechanism, listen to what they get is it doesn't show up that way for me, he creates some tensions, and he builds on opportunities that he's experiential, and creative. And I really want men and women for those who are listening, maybe have your partners or brothers or significant others listen to this podcast because David has a lot of great energy ideas and thoughts to bring. So remember that the Healthy Aging coach podcast isn't just about providing resources and strategies, I want you to leave here with a sense that there's something that you can take away and put to action right away, whether it's for yourself, or you recommend to your partner or a friend or somebody just do something with what you learned today. All right, David, thank you so much for being here. I'm tickled. I'm excited. I'm like tickled excited to have you here. You one of the Well, the way that I met you and we started deeper conversations was well, you are as a business owner with a bike shop and Ballarat, and where you did sales and had the repair shop aspect of it as well. I'm kind of played around with a little bit of coaching with each other. So. And one of the things that sticks in my head about you and I said prefaced earlier in the introduction was that you're a massive action taker. Like you just don't sit still, you're not someone who just both you and your wife, I find her that way, which is very inspiring for me. So I'm curious. Where would you like, I'm curious. I have so much going on. I want to I want to start the conversation. And you know, let's dive right in. And tell me about the message or motto that you live by. But I'm curious if there's any other titles that you go by other than, you know, semi retired, or all those things that I mentioned, is there anything else that you go by? Or people know you have?

David Tannard: 3:23

Not really. I don't know. I don't think people just go hey, you're such and such. I'm just David. You know, some people call me Dave. Whatever, songs don't call me silly or something. It's, it's okay. No, I just, I don't know. Just, you know, I'll take it as it comes. I think. So your father wishes that first one? Gosh, they're gonna be easier. That's okay. So

Dianne Flemington: 3:52

you're a father of two girls. Right? And you're also a grandfather? Yes. Yes. I've how many now?

David Tannard: 4:01

Just one, and she's four years old. Smart, as smart as smart can be. And I seem to I don't seem to remember that. My girls were this smart at this age. I'm sure they were. But I think when when you get not necessarily second, go with it. But when you see it from an older person's perspective, and not the perspective of a parent, when you're trying to do everything, you're you're working, you're running a house, you have the children. When my wife and I take this, this is a different perspective, because we we have it for a day and we try and do everything that we need to do. On the days that we don't have her with her and then so we're just completely with her. So it's just Yes. And I don't think I ever did that with my own children. So that's a little bit special that I can do it and a little, I suppose, a little resist. because it's I didn't do it my children, I think, but that's the way it is, unfortunately. Yeah.

Dianne Flemington: 5:06

Yeah, they're in your day to day life. So they get all of you and whatever that is capacity you have and you do the best you can with what you got. I have a question for you. How long have you and your wife been married?

David Tannard: 5:18

All don't 30 ideas. Beautiful.

Dianne Flemington: 5:22

Awesome. I just wanted the audience to know that you're just very round a well rounded human being as well. So beautiful. School. Night. Okay, so in all of that, now that the tribe has a sense of your environment, like what's around you? What's the message or motto or metaphor that you feel like that has, that you've used through most of your life? What's the one that catches your attention?

David Tannard: 5:55

I suppose there's there's a lot that there's probably several but but just you know, seize the day is one that's bantered around. But I don't know if I want to use that. But just grab the opportunity. If there's opportunity there. Take it, grab it with both parents. And, and don't be really remorseful for the steps you've taken. If it doesn't go quite as well as planned. That's the way it is you took the opportunity. And if you, you don't, you can't have a regret for taking an opportunity taking a step. You can have regret for not taking the step. But just be bold. If something seems right, and it looks good. And you think yep, I'm gonna give this a go. Have a golden

Dianne Flemington: 6:43

rule like that? Where did you learn that?

David Tannard: 6:47

Gosh, I don't know. What sort of energy Jeanne about this because you, you prompted me to do questions. And I've been, I've been contemplating my life fast over the last.

Dianne Flemington: 6:56

That's great. Everyone should. And I think really,

David Tannard: 7:00

most of my inspiration has come from just people I've met, that it's not one individual. It's one thing that came to my mind. So I was 17. First job. We were mucking around in the shop, it was retail. And we're mucking around and the boss came in and said, Oh, so you guys muck around and go, sorry, boss. And he said, That's fine. You can, but have you cleaned the windows? Have you vacuumed the floors? Have you dusted? How do you know the product? Do you know inside out? No. You said well, then you can't muck around. When all that's done, then you can muck around. And so I thought that was quite valuable. And I obviously had a 17 I didn't think that was very valuable. I just thought it was silly. But looking back now it's it I think it has done a fair bit in my life to pace that that's that's a really good euphemism for lit life. Because it's, if there's, there's never any spare time. There's always something to do. And you've just got to take a bit of a priority and go Well, no, do I have to if I'm presenting myself with a presenting a product, then if you've done everything in your capacity to do that, before you present it, then it's gonna go well. And if you haven't been, that's your fault, no one else's. That's

Dianne Flemington: 8:23

interesting. There's a couple of things you tapped into there and one was like, the preciousness of time so the more intention you can bring to it in this case for you it was about while your boss telling you you know, the you know, everything we could use this time more wisely. Similar for me. Early years was restaurant. And the big thing was if you get tanned and lean, you got time to clean. I mean, that was like the thing sounds a little bit similar. Like there's always something you can do a no more of. So what's your biggest lesson in retail would you say?

David Tannard: 9:04

Probably the same, same boss. Never lie. Never say Macho?

Dianne Flemington: 9:10

Not that. I think lying is good, but say more.

David Tannard: 9:14

So he said, Never lie because you will get found out. It may be in an hour. It may be in a day, it may be in five days. And so the person you've lied to and told them that this is bulletproof or whatever it may be that they'll come back and they'll say you told me this. And as we all know, if something goes wrong, you tell 10 people if something is right, you tell to

Dianne Flemington: 9:40

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Negativity always seems to rule away. Yeah. So do you ever have off day like when you don't feel like you got mojo to do something? Can you share what that experience is like for you and how you get through them

David Tannard: 9:59

up Yeah, absolutely. There's no, no one's perfect. So, so yeah, absolutely, you have off days. And I suppose if you've got, if you've got people you care about, and you're supposed to use a phrase, or if they're on the same train as you you're the guy in the same place, then, you know, you think you just have to go, Well, you know, I just got to get my act together and go on and doesn't, you don't necessarily have to be going as fast as you were before or was it with as much intestinal fortitude as you had previously, but you've still got to move forward. And so you are kind of you are saying that this again, it through having the bike bicycle shop, I always thought if I had a down day that I would, the picture that came into my mind was that I was driving a train, and I've just got to drive this train harder, but just just gonna get in and push it to space, you can use the old steam locomotive, you got to put more coal in the fire and get a fire burning and get get the train moving faster. It just got to keep it driving harder. And it's not. It's not like I'm a sadist, or anything that you got to beat yourself or Damascus, there's nothing that you've got to beat yourself up over it. But you just could not just just move forward, just social moving forward. That's a good thing. Yeah,

Dianne Flemington: 11:29

that's it. You're speaking into something that I create with leaders, and it's called momentum when they feel stuck, right? It's like into your point, what's the small thing that you can do to start creating that momentum, which for you is putting that coal into the steam engine? If that's right, to get that momentum going? Right, I can hear the train ejected did and then getting faster and faster. So momentum is important. And just taking that one first step. So I'm going to dig a little, that's okay. Because I think it's really important that men hear other men's experiences on what off days look like. So when you have an off day when you're not feeling quite you're ambitious self. What are you doing? And what does that feel like for you?

David Tannard: 12:13

Oh, oh, gee. Got me Now, normally, I just took the leg off chair, but I've you've got me speechless. Now. I think that when when you have a rough day, you're just down. You just you've you feel deflated, I suppose you just don't, you haven't got the guts, like you haven't had breakfast or something. You just haven't got the get up and go. And, and that's okay. Because that's, something's wrong. And perhaps you've got to have a bit of a look at that and sort of decide why you're feeling this way. has been something that somebody said something to you or something happened in your life that that has created that. And perhaps we'll get away to chat, change that. But if you can't, no, I can't say that. You can't change if you've had a bad sad moment. Don't you can't change that. And don't change that because it's happened and experienced. Excuse me, and you work on that. But the it's okay to feel down if you're having a sad moment. But you there's no point dwelling on it. The I can't remember the exact phrase, I'm afraid but my mum who was quite religious lady would basically say that it was asking God to give her the it's to do with having the the understanding of what you can change, and what you can't change, having the strength to change the things you can and having the knowledge to understand the difference between the two. So you can change and something you can't change and change the things you can change. And don't necessarily dwell on the things you can't change, because that's what happened energy. And I've heard the Dalai Lama say the same thing in a similar manner.

Dianne Flemington: 14:20

Wow, ya know, and leadership talk for the tribe because I know so many of you in the tribe, our senior leaders are leading teams. We call that locus of control so when we're feeling stuck or frustrated or can't make something move, it's like we need to look at the look what do we have control over to David's point what he's talking about? I mean, we can feel angry, frustrated, sad, upset, personal or professional lives. But his to your point day, which is beautiful is what can we actually control in this moment, because we can't always control everything. We can't control people feel what they're going to do, we can only control what we feel do. So I like that. That's a great tip and a great point. So So to get you out of that, Ballmer bummed out, not off days, but something that is a go to for you to go, Okay, if I didn't know if I figured it out now, what's what's Is there a go to for you? Is there a mug or something you do?

David Tannard: 15:16

Like Cycling is a great app for me. I always liken cycling to it may sound silly, but it works, I think it's like the, the, the problems that you have is like cotton wool or fluff in your head. And so when you ride the wind blow through and just hops the fluff out.

Dianne Flemington: 15:42

I can finish in that extra

David Tannard: 15:44

money. And, and so I think when when you do something, say cycling, you're in the moment. And you, you don't have case, it's, you know, I'm looking at the road, or I'm looking at the gravel, that I don't want to hurt myself, I've been looking for bumps and lumps and cars and all the rest of it. And I'm not thinking about what's happened in the world, or what has happened to me personally or whoever. And so just for a brief moment, you can just be in the moment, and just be thinking about that particular thing and concentrate on that. And that tends to help me and even to the big can be cycling, it can be gardening or like gardening as well. It's it's when you concentrating particularly on something that is nice for you. And that can and that can get you out of that the blues. Yeah, to be a bit fresher. And then and then perhaps you look at things with a different perspective. So for me, it's always about if you absolutely deadlocked on something in your heart, I just can't see how we're going to get through this. And then you change your perspective and look at something else, you go on to the next job. And then you come back off. I know how to fix this. fresh ideas and fresh approach.

Dianne Flemington: 17:05

There's two things you said that one was concentrate on something that's nice for you, that actually felt nice for me over here. When you said those words in tandem. I was like, that's a great little sentence structure. Because it actually relieves that it's like, yeah, why don't I just use something I can focus on, it's nice for me, it doesn't have to be an output or something hard. Just love that. That's a great tip. And he had said something there and I just lost it. Again, I'm trying to carry two things in my head at one time, which doesn't work for me. So I'll get on, I'm noticing time. So I'll get on to this next bit of conversation. I had and you mentioned earlier that I had you and your wife be part of a trial workshop that I was working on called your relationship with aging. And since then, I'm wondering what your thoughts have been about aging? And if you know, should we be worrying about getting older?

David Tannard: 17:58

I don't know if worrying is the is the phrase I? Again, it's about controlling what you can change and and not worried about what you can't change. We all get older. And that's a good thing. And I remember not that long ago, I had, I saw a gentleman and he was not that well. And he just said I don't get old. And I said no, that's naturally not the way I want to do it. He goes, What do you mean? Well, the other option is not very good. So I want to get on.

Dianne Flemington: 18:33

I love that you pushed back on that. That's so my style too. I had a different one maybe? Yeah, sorry. You have them think differently when we you can be caringly ambitious, I put like that when you have people like push back on their thinking. I think that's great.

David Tannard: 18:53

Yeah, so it's just about not worrying, I suppose I don't worry about getting old. And I'd like to be old and I'd like to be able to enjoy being old. So it's it's about being active, just move, just keep moving. Little Bits doesn't matter that kind of we bicycles, probably people know that electric bicycles have become a thing. And, and so there's a lot of knockers who say, Oh, electric bikes are the devil's work or whatever it may be. And my pushback on that is always that push an electric bike. If you want to use one, it's, there's no, we're not twisting anybody's arm to use one I want is that it will get you out perhaps more often or for longer than you would normally. And if that's the case, then it's a great thing.

Dianne Flemington: 19:49

Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

David Tannard: 19:51

So so it's not so that's part of being older. You know, if you're, if you're getting out and exercising, moving whatever it may be that We'll make it better. And I see that in a lot of older people with me who still move. And so they're the ones that seem to be doing well. Yeah.

Dianne Flemington: 20:13

Yeah, there to that point. I think the tribe knows that I hiked the Camino, that that 1000 kilometer hike. And I came across a woman I would say in her late 70s. And she was sitting outside of a restroom with a really small village. And we you walk into these little small, I don't know what you call, like, maybe back alley enclaves to use the washrooms and there was the woman sitting there waiting, I was looking at her I am waiting in line behind her. And I just had to ask, I said, How do you do it? Because I knew she was walking the Camino. I'd seen her a couple of times. And she said, Sweetheart, you just have to keep moving. Just keep moving. And I have that's never left my head. So you know, to the point is that movement, right? However, you need to do it assisted unassisted. Just keep moving. Yeah. And tribe, I just want to point out something that in your the seven influencers, very much the core of what our tribe is built around the seven influencers of healthy aging, we know in there, that movement is the number three, like it's right up there under, you know, the the mental fitness. So, to David's point about electric bikes, that's pretty cool. That's a great. I think that's a great innovation in order to have people on bikes longer and feeling like they've got some freedom and wind underneath them. All right, so what is happiness for you when you're older? Because you're just a young bloke now, you're sure you're 60? All right. Great milestone. Yeah. So I

David Tannard: 21:52

think I've got a long way to go. And I just want to enjoy it. You know, I think of, of rephrase the term for me, semi retirement for me, and as semi retirement, but is about doing what you want, when you want doing stuff on your terms. So typically, when we're working and raising a family or owning a house, or whatever it is you're doing through your, from your 20s onwards, is you have to turn up at nine and go home at five and all the rest of it. So when you when you get older, you can you can then pick and choose a little bit hopefully, hopefully, you've done enough in the in, in your working life to make yourself a little more. A little freer. Yeah, financially, really is the term. And so yeah, you can start doing things that you would like to do. And it's Yeah, and just enjoy doing those things and having the longer lunches and, and going out somewhere and staying somewhere that you perhaps you haven't been before. All those little things that just seem almost frivolous, but they're important, I think, because you otherwise you get railroaded, and you just stick in your hand. And that's a bad thing. But for me, it's not like Well, let me go ahead and see other things and that we are very, so you know, you need to be a bit social. Yeah, seeing other people and going, Hey, what are you doing up here? Like you're saying with that lady? Just ask the question to start up a conversation?

Dianne Flemington: 23:29

Well, and the research is in the sciences all around how if we stay in our homes, and don't build social circles, and don't build experiences, like just going down to the new cafe and checking it out, building new things, it actually limits the healthiness of our, our brain. So it's just to your point is like, just try new things. Right? So one of the questions that came up when you're sharing that David was, what would you want to tell your 40 year old self? From today, as a 60 year old man, what would you want your 40 year old self to know, in your wisdom of today?

David Tannard: 24:09

Gosh. That's yeah, that's tough. You should have prompted me about that question.

Dianne Flemington: 24:19

There's no right or wrong answer. It's kind of like, well, when you think back when you were 40, what were you doing? And knowing who you are today? Is there any quick election point where you were like, Oh, actually, I would make that thing, a different decision. Or I would have

David Tannard: 24:35

what I don't think really comes to mind, I suppose. Kind of what I'm saying now is live in the moment. But it suppose at 40 You've got to be thinking that if you're going to live to 90 or 100 at 40 That's, that's a pretty big thing to go. Think about everything you've ever done as a 14 year old to double it, plus, yeah, it is that there is a mind blowing moment. Yeah, I remember when I was 18, I thought I was Superman, and I knew it all. And then when I turned 21, I went, Hey, you idiot. You are just so yeah, now in the 60s, oh, gosh, I was such a schmuck. But for both of those, so it's, yeah, it at 40 to say, look, you've got a long way to go. Enjoy life be try and make your watch so that you've got financial security for later. Because you're going to be here. Hopefully, you're going to be here for a long, long time. Yeah,

Dianne Flemington: 25:45

that's a great point. Because we do have some 40 year old, really ambitious leaders in the tribe. And so yeah, I was curious to tie that in for them. And I like that financial time, it is super important, because everything's changing so quick. And when we have access to money, we can improve self or health or lifespan, especially with dropping down into evolutions in terms of health care, how we can access different scans and tests that are outside of our normal GP and these things cost money. I'm constantly telling the tribe have a fund for your health care, because it's all changing. So one day, you're not going to have as easy access to your GP as you may or you may already have trouble experiencing now it's going to start shift shapeshifting. So start saving. So I like that point. All right. Thank you. Now, I have those three fire seat questions for you. Are you ready? You already shared your age with us. So what we want, what I want you the tribe to hear from you is what age do you want to live a healthy life to?

David Tannard: 26:49

Live? Wow. I suppose if we go back to that same scenario that I just talked about if I was 40, and double it and a bit cheeky if I could if I could go to it really hard to comprehend if that is such a hard thing to comprehend. If I got to 100 Wow, that that's to be seen on the news, I go, Oh, you know, this lady, or this man has just turned 100. And you think it's a hard thing to comprehend that they are 100 that they know, at this point they've they've probably not quite lives from the First World War but but through through the Depression and through the all the wars that we've had. And all the innovation we've gone from, from that period that just had junky old cars to your old Ford Model T. We've had that to electric cars now. And we have, we have a rocket that can take off from a fixed point, travel up into the sky up into the space and land back on exactly the same spot. Mind blowing, I know. So what what's happened in in 100 years, what's going to happen within the next 40 to 55 days, next 40 years, the developments going to happen and so all those wonderful things that are going to happen. And being able to see that and being part of part of history are supposed to see all those wonderful things happen.

Dianne Flemington: 28:21

Yeah. And watching your children and your grandbabies witness and be part of all that and how they interact would be fascinating, I think as well. That's beautiful. Yeah. What's something that scares you about growing older?

David Tannard: 28:42

You should worry before bit scared that's different. So So perhaps, not being able to get as old as I'd like to, or, or for whatever reason bit mentally or physically. Not being able to enjoy it. My mother suffered from dementia. And that is a horrible, horrible disease. And I've never I've never want anybody to be inflicted by that. It's horrible. Yeah. So to see somebody else have it and so for I wouldn't want something like that to happen to me because it's as it's horrible. So that's probably what scares me about being old, not being able to enjoy getting old because of physical or mental illness.

Dianne Flemington: 29:28

What does that mean for you when you have a physical or mental illness? Some of the other interviews talk about being a burden some people suck, like they just can't. It feels like a suffocation to feel like they start losing all their you know beingness What is it for you?

David Tannard: 29:48

Yeah, I can understand that that you wouldn't want to be a burden on on people. Obviously your loved ones, your your family, your immediate family whatever I've never, never thought that my mother's illness was a burden on me. So maybe it's not, but it's, it's more for the I think it's more for me, you know, it was thought that maybe if I was to suffer physical or mental illness, and, and not be able to enjoy age and be productive and be running around and like you said it was it affects me. And yes, I suppose there are going to be those people who have acted carefully depends on who you are that, that help you perhaps monitor and care for you, but help you that's, that's a byproduct, but it's, it's unfortunate. And it's, it's a real shame. That it's, I don't know, I just want I it'd be nice if everybody could just enjoy life for what it is and whether and not have physical metal to metal in a building abilities. That'd be a beautiful world.

Dianne Flemington: 31:00

Well, that's what we're aiming for. Part of the Healthy Aging coach podcast is about bringing awareness around chronic disease and how 80% of it is preventable, and dementia is in there. So educating around you know, all the seven influencers is to the tribes point what we're here for, so we can stay on top of them and expand our lifespan, but also span so it overlaps rather than having a long lifespan, but then having a big lot of those last year as being a struggle and hard or, you know, being a burden or you know, being in pain or something like that. So that's what we're wanting to, that's the impact we're looking to create. Okay, so who is the coolest older person, you know, that are alive?

David Tannard: 31:49

I look, I don't know that I can simplify that down to a person. Okay. So I, I did think about that. And I thought about my dad and what my dad's gone through and done. And, and because of that, I didn't necessarily think of any superstars. People in the in the public public arena that I kind of thought of, I broaden that out to people, as I hinted at before, so people who have have lived from the 20s, or the 30s. To

Dianne Flemington: 32:28

like the 1920s. Okay, yeah.

David Tannard: 32:32

play out in 20s. They're different, but. And that was just too hard. Yeah, from the 1800s. That was just simply hard. But I think that through industrialization, through the 1920s, and onwards, life did become very difficult through the Great Depression, that afflicted the whole world, and two major world wars. So that, that was very, very difficult on people. And it's something that I can't really understand how hard it was, I know, people who were displaced, and you had a token to go and get a block of butter. So you don't walk down the street and oh, gee, this is five different brands. I wonder if brand I'm going to have today?

Dianne Flemington: 33:18

Right? Yeah. Different era different time. Yeah, there's a great book, David, you might actually really like, called generation. And the tribe, I'd actually like to, to David's point, when we do retrospective thinking is what Dave was talking about now is you know what it was like that versus what it's like now. And when we think about our future self, David's thinking about what's going to be like at 100. Right? So generations is actually a really well written book or audiobook depending on your flavor. That speaks about how these are their patterns. And through the all these ages, so might be something that you want to tap into there to your point. So what was the what was it about your dad that made him cool for you? I mean, you said he went through a lot but what was Was there a particular attribute or a strength he had or persona

David Tannard: 34:11

and maybe that's never that you've asked that question and I think about it that maybe that's part of that, that drives that I have now but Ah okay. You know, we had a weatherboard house and so the weatherboard needed to be painted and cleaned and and the roof was painted and there was an extension put on and we're in that that I suppose that quite sick family style where dad worked mum did work just didn't get paid for it. She looked after the voice and so yes, he worked nine to five and then come home on the weekend and on the weekend was running. Yeah, looking after the house doing all the building and painting and, and, and always remember dead polishing it to other brothers. One of his jobs he did was he polished our shoes every day. Wow. So every day we had all his shoes. So I often see children in the street from families that, you know, the socio economic climate is not great for them. But they they look impoverished, you know, they wear rags, they don't have clean shoes. And I thought, there's no need for that you can get you can be financially poor, but you don't have

Dianne Flemington: 35:33

to look at and care for yourself.

David Tannard: 35:36

You can polish your shoes, it doesn't cost much. And so to have that respect for yourself, I think that works well. And then you think, wow, you know, I've got to, I've got to look good. It's not about being glamorous, but just neat and tidy. And so I have the same thing with my child, my girls, I polish their shoes when they went to school every day. Oh, that's gorgeous. And on my granddaughter. When she comes over, I clicked issues. Wow,

Dianne Flemington: 36:05

there's a tradition. That's beautiful. Thanks for sharing that story. And you brought a really massive distinction to me here. And I'm hoping the tribe heard it in there too. It's Respect for self. Right? Regardless of where we are financially, just that genuine respect for ourselves. Look across our lives right now. This is an invite to the tribe that is listening. No, look across your life right now. And where could you add more respect for self? Right? polishing your shoes before you go to work something so simple, right? A tradition. So I want to invite everybody to minimal take David's suggestion from there, I think that's a really massive distinction that we can easily move away from this conversation from and do right away for ourselves or for our children or whatever. Thank you that that was a gift for me. I hope it was a gift for everybody who's listening.

David Tannard: 37:00

And the things that don't cost any money. Talks. Yeah, exactly. Having, what? folding your clothes or on your clothes, even. Those things don't really cost that much tangible money. And but we unfortunately, first impression is always a thing for people. And so they would look at you and they go oh, so clearly your shoes haven't been published in months or weeks. Or, Wow, this person is nice and neat and tidy. They look up, they respect themselves. So they respect themselves. Hopefully they'll respect you as well. Yeah,

Dianne Flemington: 37:39

yeah, there's a similar statement that I learned at a young age called pride of ownership. And it was many see it with, for me, it applies to home ownership. But also, anything that I bought that I was a value that I care a lot for, it's, it's a discipline to actually get as much life out of it as possible by looking after it and things like that. So I think those are really great distinctions that you brought forward. So thank you for that. I am noticing the time. So we'll wrap it up. And I want to say, of course, thank you so much for taking the time to be on the show. David, you as I mentioned, and so true to my heart is you are an inspiration to me and those around you. It's clear just from even watching people interact with you, which I've had that blessing of watching and witnessing that I hope now to all of those that are listening in or have watched and heard your message. And for those of you who are you interested in getting coached to start living your fulfilling life, please reach out to me either in the comments below or you can send me an email at Dianne at motion forward.co But in the meantime, I wish you nothing but healthy, long, loving, fulfilling satisfied life. And thank you again, David. And I'll see everybody so for now.

David Tannard: 39:00

Bye Bye